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02-20-2009, 09:18 PM
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He won those rings riding shotgun with Jordan. On his own it didnt go so well. did you forget that?

It was not meant as a slam. He is a fine player, but he is probably still not the main horse. With him a team is still going to need a leader that can make the big play at crunch time. A complimentary force.
Yeah, no question there. Spezza is primarily a playmaker and works best when paired with an elite winger.

You could also say that Jordan didn't win those rings without Pippen mind you.

That's why I love the fact that Spezza and Heatley are locked up long term.

If hockey was a five player game where the top line played 50%+ of the game, the Sens would be an absolute force, but it's not. The issue with the Sens is the fact there is no consistent second line center. No one line should be expected to produce 45% of a team's offense. That's screwed up.

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Since when is 6 points in 5 games bad?

Since someone brought up Lecavalier, do you remember how incomplete of a player (for lack of a better term) he was when he was Spezza's age? Or are you ignoring all that on purpose? You do realise that Spezza is only 25 years old?

I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: Imagine if the Flames had traded away Iginla 3 short seasons ago when he only put up 67 points in 82 games. Imagine if the Sharks had traded away Marleau last year after his 48 point season. The list goes on. Bad years happen.

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Since when is 6 points in 5 games bad?

Since someone brought up Lecavalier, do you remember how incomplete of a player (for lack of a better term) he was when he was Spezza's age? Or are you ignoring all that on purpose? You do realise that Spezza is only 25 years old?

I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: Imagine if the Flames had traded away Iginla 3 short seasons ago when he only put up 67 points in 82 games. Imagine if the Sharks had traded away Marleau last year after his 48 point season. The list goes on. Bad years happen.
i never said 6 points in 5 games was bad... however, when we have folks saying he is one of the best centers in the league i don't feel that those numbers - during the team's best win streak of the season - prove that...

your examples are plausible, but after four full seasons were any of your examples being paid 7-8 million per season?

and if, as some have suggested here, ottawa is bad for him then perhaps the two don't match...

please, don't misconstrue what i am saying...

clearly spezza has skill and i would never deny that...

what's being presented here is what he's done over the last 100+ games related to the team's success - please remember that we are always told that your best players need to be at their best - then some level of accountability should be held...

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They made it to the finals with him as the #1 center so yes they can. They need better depth though

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I think the issue for Sens is they rely too much on 3 offensive forwards to carry the workload of their scoring? Teams just have had better success shutting down Spezza than Heatley and Alfie

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I think the issue for Sens is they rely too much on 3 offensive forwards to carry the workload of their scoring? Teams just have had better success shutting down Spezza than Heatley and Alfie
You have to ask yourself then, what do you think is an easier hole to fill? Secondary scoring, or a legitimate 1st line Center?

I really don't see any particular rush to trade Spezza. Just be patient and let free agency, trades and drafting fix the rest. Only rational thing to do in my mind.

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6 points over the best five games of the team's season, not bad but I'll agree it's not great. Something that is being left out of this point is the Sens aren't a very good team this year plain and simple.

Even during the Sens' struggles last year he led the team in points and I believe had a career year.

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6 points over the best five games of the team's season, not bad but I'll agree it's not great. Something that is being left out of this point is the Sens aren't a very good team this year plain and simple.

Even during the Sens' struggles last year he led the team in points and I believe had a career year.
Indeed. However, he could have hit 100 pts in 05-06 if he was healthy. That's besides the point, though.

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I'll never understand why they traded Yashin for him...


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Indeed. However, he could have hit 100 pts in 05-06 if he was healthy. That's besides the point, though.
Almost 110 points, actually.

It's about on-par with Malkin's production at a similar age.

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