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02-21-2009, 02:10 PM
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It feels weird...I'm a hab fan, a die hard hab fan..but I have to agree with other team's fan instead of my own fan base???


ANYWAY!! this thread should be about Komi's value if he was to be traded...whether or not he should be traded is another topic..and all of these UFA shouldn't be in this conversation.
I fully agree... but it's not everyday that you have the chance to exchange ideas with Bob Gainey (Next Big Thing) and his right hand man (Trapper)

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LOL hab fans and their "we only have 4 ufas we care about". A team isn't built on four players, the other 7 guys aren't easy to replace, a team needs stability. You can replace one or two but changing five players in one off season is usually not good for a team even if they are grinders. Habs could go from a very deep team from last year to being a one line team in one off season.

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LOL hab fans and their "we only have 4 ufas we care about". A team isn't built on four players, the other 7 guys aren't easy to replace, a team needs stability. You can replace one or two but changing five players in one off season is usually not good for a team even if they are grinders. Habs could go from a very deep team from last year to being a one line team in one off season.
STOP BEING A HAB HATTER...

Ok, enough from me...

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02-21-2009, 02:44 PM
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LOL hab fans and their "we only have 4 ufas we care about". A team isn't built on four players, the other 7 guys aren't easy to replace, a team needs stability. You can replace one or two but changing five players in one off season is usually not good for a team even if they are grinders. Habs could go from a very deep team from last year to being a one line team in one off season.
That's true, but those 7 "other guys" are Brisebois, Begin, Kostopolous, Dandenault, Bouillon, Lang, and Schneider. I don't see other NHL teams swooping in with big contracts to lure these players away. Lang or Schneider might receive a substantial one year contract from a team in need of their services, but if the habs want to bring back any of the first 5, I don't think there will be too much competition.

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LOL hab fans and their "we only have 4 ufas we care about". A team isn't built on four players, the other 7 guys aren't easy to replace, a team needs stability. You can replace one or two but changing five players in one off season is usually not good for a team even if they are grinders. Habs could go from a very deep team from last year to being a one line team in one off season.
UFAs
Tanguay
Koivu
Komisarek
Kovalev
Kostopulous
Begin
Dandenault
Bouillon
Lang
Schneider
Brisebois
RFAs
Higgins
Pleks
Lats
Chipchura
D'agostini
Stewart

Koivu will be signed, more than likely. Kostop too, imo.
Lang and Schneider are effy.
Brisebois is playing this season to get to1000th games, then he's more than likely going to move to a job within the team
Dandenault, Bouillon, Begin Are more than likely done with the team (At least, I hope.)
Tanguay, Komi, Kovalev. Probably two of these players will be signed.

All of the RFAs should be signed, though, one might get traded.

So, the team:

Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty
Georges Laraque
Maxim Lapierre
Roman Hamrlik
Andrei Markov
Josh Gorges
Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak
+ more than likelies.
Saku Koivu (I'm sure that's a given to everyone he will be signed)
Tom Kostopoulous
Say Tanguay, Komisarek
Tomas Plekanec
Kyle Chipchura
Matt D'agostini
Greg Stewart
Potentially whatever Higgins brings in(If traded, if not there's another player signed)

Right there is 18(potentially 19) players. Montréal has
Ben Maxwell
Ryan O'Bryne
Yannick Weber
Mathieu Carle
To fill in. Plus, I'm sure they'll sign a few of their other prospects this summer as well.

Then they can look at the UFA market, make a deal, and consider lang and Schneider if they wish to come back. Kovalev too, if it's for less than what he's making now.

Gainey will be busy as ****, but the whole thing is being blown out of proportion, imo.

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02-21-2009, 02:55 PM
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Wow did this thread go down fast!

Let's break it down shall we:

Without any UFAs resigning, the Habs would still have 11 NHL roster forwards, 4 NHL roster Dmen, and both goalies signed (assuming they resign their RFAs. One would expect either Yannick Weber or PK Subban to make the jump to the NHL next season (most likely Weber) so that would give them 5 NHL defensemen.

Forwards:
Smart money is on Gainey getting both Higgins and Plekanec under reasonable contracts since neither of the 2 have been world beaters this year. Likewise for Chipchura, D'Agostini (likely the largest raise based on his play this season), Stewart and Latendresse (whose injury cut into his paycheck significantly). The end result should be that Gainey will have decent room to make a play at both of their marquee UFAs (Koivu, Tanguay), make a solid offer to Kostopolous, and cut ties with Lang (unfortunately) Kovalev (if he's still here by the deadline) and Begin (who is a great team guy but has become a little redundant).

All in all, they should most definitely have enough space to lock up some of their own talent, but the question remains: will they have enough to make a play at a big name? because its obvious that this team is not talented enough at the top end to go deep.

Defensemen:
With Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges, O'Byrne and a rookie locked in...they essentially have their 1,3,4,6 & 7th defensemen in place. This means that they need to acquire a solid #2 and another depth guy to round out the day-to-day roster. Habs fans pray that Komisarek will be that 2 guy, but with Charles Wang lurking in the shadows, there's a strong possibility that Komi will get 10^67 times his market value, in which case the Habs are in trouble. It seems pretty likely that Brisebois, Schneider, Bouillon and Dandenault are all out unless they are willing to sign for Poutine, so expect at least 1 defenseman to come via UFA. There are plenty of serviceable D-men available this summer (Beauchemin instantly springs to mind, though Anaheim would be crazy to let him go) and if Komi and the rest of our UFAs walk, you can expect the Habs to make a push for at least 1 big name and 1 lesser, but solid name (or PP specialist).

All in all: The D situation in MTL will hinge on Komisarek's decision and open market value, and little will be decided before then. But you can expect (or hope given the old boys club that has formed in MTL) that Gainey will cut ties with the dead wood that has been dragging the MTL d corp down for the last few seasons.

Goalies:
Hopefully Price gets over his fear of stopping pucks

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02-21-2009, 05:48 PM
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I fully agree... but it's not everyday that you have the chance to exchange ideas with Bob Gainey (Next Big Thing) and his right hand man (Trapper)
Maybe we should listen to DEVILS ALL THE WAY,The devil fan who thinks he knows more about how to run the Habs better than Bob Gainey does.

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02-21-2009, 06:44 PM
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Maybe we should listen to DEVILS ALL THE WAY,The devil fan who thinks he knows more about how to run the Habs better than Bob Gainey does.
You're such a dumbass... When did i say i was smarter then Gainey ?!?!? What i said is that having 11 UFA's and 6 RFA's heading into this summer MIGHT NOT BE THE IDEAL SITUATION. If you like it, then more power to you my friend... i wouldn't, that's all.

But hey, the Habs won today against the Sens.... HOLD THE PHONE, LET'S RE-PLAN THE PARADE !!!

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You're such a dumbass... When did i say i was smarter then Gainey ?!?!? What i said is that having 11 UFA's and 6 RFA's heading into this summer MIGHT NOT BE THE IDEAL SITUATION. If you like it, then more power to you my friend... i wouldn't, that's all.

But hey, the Habs won today against the Sens.... HOLD THE PHONE, LET'S RE-PLAN THE PARADE !!!
Talking about a dumbass... .Here's a little quote from you.
[First off, any GM's that is heading in the off-season with 11 UFA's ISN'T doing his job ACCORDING TO ME and especially when 4 of those guys are the "heart and soul" of the team. If New Jersey would be in the same boat, i'd be calling Lou a IDIOT ]
But i'm quite sure a genius like you could do a better job than Gainey.Just what the Habs need ,another armchair dumbass like you for a G.M.
As for our 5-3 win over the Sens was ok ,i guess though it wasn't as impressive as the Devils 4-0 loss to the Islanders.


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UFAs
Tanguay
Koivu
Komisarek
Kovalev
Kostopulous
Begin
Dandenault
Bouillon
Lang
Schneider
Brisebois
RFAs
Higgins
Pleks
Lats
Chipchura
D'agostini
Stewart

Koivu will be signed, more than likely. Kostop too, imo.
Lang and Schneider are effy.
Brisebois is playing this season to get to1000th games, then he's more than likely going to move to a job within the team
Dandenault, Bouillon, Begin Are more than likely done with the team (At least, I hope.)
Tanguay, Komi, Kovalev. Probably two of these players will be signed.

All of the RFAs should be signed, though, one might get traded.

So, the team:

Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty
Georges Laraque
Maxim Lapierre
Roman Hamrlik
Andrei Markov
Josh Gorges
Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak
+ more than likelies.
Saku Koivu (I'm sure that's a given to everyone he will be signed)
Tom Kostopoulous
Say Tanguay, Komisarek
Tomas Plekanec
Kyle Chipchura
Matt D'agostini
Greg Stewart
Potentially whatever Higgins brings in(If traded, if not there's another player signed)

Right there is 18(potentially 19) players. Montréal has
Ben Maxwell
Ryan O'Bryne
Yannick Weber
Mathieu Carle
To fill in. Plus, I'm sure they'll sign a few of their other prospects this summer as well.

Then they can look at the UFA market, make a deal, and consider lang and Schneider if they wish to come back. Kovalev too, if it's for less than what he's making now.

Gainey will be busy as ****, but the whole thing is being blown out of proportion, imo.
I'm thinking it'll be better for the Habs to go with an older veteran backup goalie next season.

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I'm thinking it'll be better for the Habs to go with an older veteran backup goalie next season.
So Halak can be the starter and Price goes to the minors? Halak has outplayed Price this season, so I'm not sure where you're going with this Mr. Gumble.

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2 prospects+a draft pick and roster player for rental of m.k that's my guessing. hes a big boy and plays the shutdown role? i think. i don't watch alot of montreal games.

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so then you'll want to make a Penguins-style move, and have a roster full of AHL players? good luck on that one.
With Koivu, Tanguay, Komisarek (and Brisebois) re-signed; Kosto will probably be re-signed too since this is the most he's ever played and Carbo loves him.

Tanguay - Koivu - D'Agostini
Pacioretty - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Higgins - Lapierre - S. Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Chipchura - Stewart
Kostopoulos, Laraque

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - O'Byrne
Gorges - Brisebois*
* #7 if a UFA can be signed or Weber/Subban/Emelin/Korneev are ready/come over.

Halak - Price


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Doesn't look too shabby to me.

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So Halak can be the starter and Price goes to the minors? Halak has outplayed Price this season, so I'm not sure where you're going with this Mr. Gumble.
Yeah, right.

Simple. Halak gets dealt (whether it be at the trading deadline or in the off-season will depend on how either goalie plays until March 4).

Price is the goalie of the future for the Habs from Gainey's POV.

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That's true, but those 7 "other guys" are Brisebois, Begin, Kostopolous, Dandenault, Bouillon, Lang, and Schneider. I don't see other NHL teams swooping in with big contracts to lure these players away. Lang or Schneider might receive a substantial one year contract from a team in need of their services, but if the habs want to bring back any of the first 5, I don't think there will be too much competition.
add Komisarek to the list and it's HALF our D corp + our 7th D...

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So Halak can be the starter and Price goes to the minors? Halak has outplayed Price this season, so I'm not sure where you're going with this Mr. Gumble.

While I'm thinking the same, the coaching staff still sees Price as the #1 and Halak as the #2... and for the coacing staff, Price is not only the future of this org. he's also the only #1 goalie they have NOW.

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so about 4 million a year at most
I am guessing 5M a year

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As an outsider, If Montreal is looking for a mini rebuild, start with Price, Komisarek & Markov. Build from the goal out. They need to gut their forwards, not their defense. IMO, Montreal's defensive core is a little under rated on these boards.
Answer me this : is Price, Markov, Komisarek really a better core than Price, Markov, Lecavalier ? I love Komisarek, but if he can be an important piece in landing Lecavalier, I'd pull the trigger without hesitation.

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Maybe we should listen to DEVILS ALL THE WAY,The devil fan who thinks he knows more about how to run the Habs better than Bob Gainey does.
From an outsider looking in (non Jersey/Habs fan), I can say it makes a lot more sense being on the other side of the argument. Trying to argue having a ton of UFA's (especially when 4 noted are integral players) is not going to go well for you. You will either pay more or lose players through that "strategy" in general. The Devils unfortunately have little to do with this argument, nor the problem Montreal faces, though it's a good effort trying to convolute the issue at hand.

No one is attacking the habs organization, but generally re-upping the players you want to keep is a good thing to do.

Otherwise what are we looking at, a strategy revolving around musical chairs...

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So Halak can be the starter and Price goes to the minors? Halak has outplayed Price this season, so I'm not sure where you're going with this Mr. Gumble.
People have such short memories...

Halak has only outplayed Price during this huge slump, though Halak has been terrible as well, aside from a couple of games. However, Price was far better than Halak during most of the season. Price was a beast up until his second injury of the season.

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Talking about a dumbass... .Here's a little quote from you.
[First off, any GM's that is heading in the off-season with 11 UFA's ISN'T doing his job ACCORDING TO ME and especially when 4 of those guys are the "heart and soul" of the team. If New Jersey would be in the same boat, i'd be calling Lou a IDIOT ]
But i'm quite sure a genius like you could do a better job than Gainey.Just what the Habs need ,another armchair dumbass like you for a G.M.
As for our 5-3 win over the Sens was ok ,i guess though it wasn't as impressive as the Devils 4-0 loss to the Islanders.





This guy is hopeless... you can say what you want in order for you to feal better, but if you look at the big picture, the Habs are between a rock and a hard place. If New Jersey had Parise, Zajac, Elias and Martin as UFA's (4 key members of this organisation... just like Koivu, Kovalev, Tanguay and Komisarek) this year, i'd be going MENTAL over Lou's "strategy".

Back on topic, I don't see Komisarek traded at the deadline but if he is a 1st, roster player and a top prospect would get it done. A package that is a little less then what Bouwmeester would garner.


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Mike Komisarek = Mike Commodore

so about 4 million a year at most
Better comparison:
Mike Komisarek = Brooks Orpik

So about 3.75M long term.


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Better comparison:
Mike Komisarek = Bruce Orpik

So about 3.75M long term.
Komisarek will get around 5 mil. He's much better than Commodore and Orpik has a discount contract.

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Better comparison:
Mike Komisarek = Bruce Orpik

So about 3.75M long term.
Who the hell is Bruce Orpik??

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