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02-21-2009, 01:08 PM
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What does it take to make a hockey rivalry?

There are/have been many rivalries in hockey, but what does it take for one to be so intense?

There are many different things that can go into a good hockey rivalry: geography, proximity, intensity, chippiness on the ice, players jumping ship, and so on.

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Intensity and fans.

I really enjoy the Flames' rivalry with the Sharks, as well as the Canucks. I don't think the Flames play as well against any other team as they do with SJ and Vancouver.

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Meet three times in the playoffs in a given decade.

I guarantee you after three playoff series in a short span of years, those two fanbases will hate each other with the fire of a thousand suns. Regardless of geography, past history, divisional status, or how many times they play in the regular season.

The playoffs are where lasting rivalries get made. Look at how Red Wings-Avalanche started. Not in the same division, not geographically close.

As a Sabres fan, two of my most hated teams are the Flyers and the Sens, mainly because we've met those two teams in the playoffs so many times in the last 15 years or so.

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Claude Lemieux.

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Repeatedly punishing an opponent in the playoffs.

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In order of importance:

(1) Geographic proximity.

(2) Playoff history.

(3) On-ice incident(s).

(4) Divisional frequency.

(5) League history.

IMO.

The best rivalries obviously have combinations of the above.

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The playoffs are where lasting rivalries get made. Look at how Red Wings-Avalanche started. Not in the same division, not geographically close.
While that contributed to it, Lemieux essentially started that one. That was a such an awesome rivalry though when both teams were the best in the league.

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a common hatred for each other felt by both the fans and the players

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While that contributed to it, Lemieux essentially started that one. That was a such an awesome rivalry though when both teams were the best in the league.
According to Detroit fans. Colorado fans remember Slava Kozlov slamming Adam Foote's head into the glass, and Keith Primeau swinging his stick like a baseball bat at Peter Forsberg's ankles, both earlier in the 1996 conference finals.

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Playoff history.

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The three Ps of hockey rivalries:

Proximity, punching and playoffs.

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According to Detroit fans. Colorado fans remember Slava Kozlov slamming Adam Foote's head into the glass, and Keith Primeau swinging his stick like a baseball bat at Peter Forsberg's ankles, both earlier in the 1996 conference finals.
Kozlov definitely drew first blood.

Too bad not many teams can stay competitive on an annual basis. That rivalry was pure awesomeness.

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In order of importance:

(1) Geographic proximity.

(2) Playoff history.

(3) On-ice incident(s).

(4) Divisional frequency.

(5) League history.

IMO.

The best rivalries obviously have combinations of the above.
That guy is incredibly intelligent.

For a Sens fan

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The demise of Gary Bettman would surely help rivalries.

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Dirty hits. Playoff knockouts.

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a good 6 or 7 game playoff series

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They just did a segment on Hockey Day in Canada on rivalries of old, and how they died and aren't coming back.

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by doing that, which leads to this:


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by doing that, which leads to this:
It didn't start there. See a few posts up.

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It didn't start there. See a few posts up.
Oh I know, but it definitely was like throwing gasoline on the fire

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playoff losses are a good way to start one

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They just did a segment on Hockey Day in Canada on rivalries of old, and how they died and aren't coming back.
Yeah and take note that 99% of the footage was of rivalries from decades ago. Over-expansion has done as much for the demise of rivalries as anything.

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It usually takes a dirty hit or two

Leafs/Isles: For a while at least it was from that Tucker hit on Peca

Leafs/Sens: Alfredsson on Tucker

Avs/Wings: Kozlov on Foote

Are ones I can think of right away

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