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02-21-2009, 03:34 PM
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Malkin vs Kane

Ok... not really a trade proposal and I'm not suggesting it take place, but I was wondering what others felt about a Kane (plus) for Malkin (plus) swap if Pittsburgh ever did decide to deal Malkin in order to get Crosby some effective wingers. Something like Kane + Versteeg/Byfuglien/Beach/Sharp?

Just curious because I know Chicago is lacking center depth and Pittsburgh is lacking quality wingers. Could a line with Crosby and Kane on it be more valuable to Pittsburgh than separate lines with Sid and Malkin? Obviously a real swap would be more complex than anything I've mentioned here, but in theory, how far off is it?

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Kane+Seabrook

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If Staal was good as pens fans claim he is, trading Malkin could make the pens better but that isn't the case.

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Kane+Seabrook
I woudn't trade Malkin for Kane + Seabrook right now. Malkin carries that team on many nights, and I am still firmly a believer that 2 scoring lines centered by top 3 talent is more valuable than 1 line with 2 great players.

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Kane+1st for Malkin.

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It's gonna take a hefty premium to snag the best player in the league at age 22, signed to a long-term, cap friendly contract.

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Malkin is arguably the 3rd best player in the NHL right now (behind Ovechkin and Crosby). I think one would have to keep that in mind when trying to make any proposal.

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Kane+Seabrook

The only reason I didn't mention defenseman is because I know Pittsburgh could use some wingers and they have a glut of defensemen with Letang, Whitney, Goligoski, Orpik, Boucher, Gonchar, Scuderi and Eaton. That is basically close to what I was thinking the center of a deal would be though.

Something like Kane + Seabrook + Versteeg/Beach + 1st for Malkin + Letang with possibly more coming from CHI

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Malkin is so much more valuable than at this point Kane it's not even funny. Try Kane + Versteeg + Keith

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Kane isnt close to Malkins level [B]yet[B] but hes still young their both untouchable.....the end

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Malkin's contract is cap friendly? Ok.

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Malkin is so much more valuable than at this point Kane it's not even funny. Try Kane + Versteeg + Keith
Um... I did?

That's like basically exactly what I did but swap Keith for Seabrook and add a 1st from CHI and Letang from PIT

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Malkin's contract is cap friendly? Ok.
I guess for who he is, it is. $8.7M isn't a tremendous cap hit for Malkin when you think about guys like Vanek (good in their own right) who make $7.4M to not come close to his level.

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Um... I did?

That's like basically exactly what I did but swap Keith for Seabrook and add a 1st from CHI and Letang from PIT
Now take out Letang.

Deal.

Ok, now it's Chicago that needs another scoring winger.

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Malkin is arguably the 3rd best player in the NHL right now (behind Ovechkin and Crosby). I think one would have to keep that in mind when trying to make any proposal.
The only thing that's 'arguable' is if he's the best player in the league or not.

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The only thing that's 'arguable' is if he's the best player in the league or not.
Crosby showed today that he's the best player in the world, today.

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Now take out Letang.

Deal.

Ok, now it's Chicago that needs another scoring winger.

That's fine. I'm not a *fan* of either team (I mean, I like both, but neither is my team) so I'm not trying to "win" the trade for either side. I only added Letang because Pittsburgh has so many defensemen and adding Seabrook clogs things up more. I guess I was thinking Havlat, Sharp, Byfuglien, Brouwer and hopefully guys like Skille/Beach would be enough on the wings if Chicago had Malkin and Toews. Pittsburgh would have Crosby, Kane, Versteeg, Staal, Sykora, Kennedy, etc. and a pretty mean defense (when healthy...).

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The only thing that's 'arguable' is if he's the best player in the league or not.
He's definitely not better than Ovechkin, that's for sure. The argument would be whether he's better than Crosby, and even though he has better numbers I'd disagree with that notion.

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Ok... not really a trade proposal and I'm not suggesting it take place, but I was wondering what others felt about a Kane (plus) for Malkin (plus) swap if Pittsburgh ever did decide to deal Malkin in order to get Crosby some effective wingers. Something like Kane + Versteeg/Byfuglien/Beach/Sharp?

Just curious because I know Chicago is lacking center depth and Pittsburgh is lacking quality wingers. Could a line with Crosby and Kane on it be more valuable to Pittsburgh than separate lines with Sid and Malkin? Obviously a real swap would be more complex than anything I've mentioned here, but in theory, how far off is it?
how's this not a trade proposal?

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Malkin's contract is cap friendly? Ok.
Consider both could have asked for the max allowed!

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Malkin's contract is cap friendly? Ok.
8.7M for 7 years...for the best player in the league.

Whats not to like? Malkin @ 10m would still be a bargain.

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Consider both could have asked for the max allowed!
What is the max?

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What is the max?
Isn't it 20% of the cap?

9.8M I believe.. Ovechkin got something to that effect.

edit: his official cap hit is 9.538

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Malkin is arguably the 3rd best player in the NHL right now (behind Ovechkin and Crosby). I think one would have to keep that in mind when trying to make any proposal.
Crosby can not hold his jock. Sid the kid would have trouble beenibg a top 5

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how's this not a trade proposal?
Besides the fact that there aren't any specifics provided, beyond the notion that it would be centered around Malkin and Kane? The fact that I'm not proposing it because I want to see it happen but was curious how people felt about the value (hence "Value Of:"), because it was an idea that was rolling around in my head last night?

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