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02-22-2009, 10:32 AM
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If the Islanders offered this trade to the Kings they do it in a heartbeat. Islanders don't do this trade if the Kings throw in the Staples Center beer sales over the next 25 years.

Potential future Mega Star for future all star defenseman.

Umm...no thanks
Whoa, don't go overboard. Drew Doughty is a beast, and as an Isles fan if he were in this draft and the Isles picked Hedman over him, I'd be a little pissed.

That said, I don't make this deal from either teams perspective.

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02-22-2009, 10:36 AM
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This assumes that Isles get first overall.

Kings: First overall (John Taveres)

Isles: Drew Doughty


I have to be honest that if I am Lombardi, I don't do it. IMHO, Doughty is going to be better than any player taken in the 2008 or 2009 drafts (yes, that includes Hedman, Taveres, et all). But, I wanted to see what others thought.
I'll be honest, You my friend are crazy....lol

Tavares could very well put up numbers close to Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin.

At the very least he'll be as good as Patty Kane and Rick Nash.

Tavares is a Center you build a team around. He is a Franchise forward.

Now Drew Doughty will be very very good, but he won't be in the same league as a Tavares.

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02-22-2009, 10:37 AM
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I'm the owner of either franchise and my GM makes that move, he's fired on the spot.
I agree. The Kings have hitched their wagon to Doughty and he's been fantastic for them, they won't upset that at this point. And while Doughty looks like a great player, I don't think the Isles can pass on the chance to make Taveres the #1 overall pick.

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Whoa, don't go overboard. Drew Doughty is a beast, and as an Isles fan if he were in this draft and the Isles picked Hedman over him, I'd be a little pissed.

That said, I don't make this deal from either teams perspective.
If the kings turned down the 1st overall pick for Doughty they'd be crazy IMO.

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02-22-2009, 10:54 AM
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You guys do realize that the Isles' have a less than 50-50 chance of picking first?
Well if you consider the odds the teams finishing 17-25(teams in which the Isles still pick first if they win the lottery), the Isles really have more of a 50% chance to pick 1st.

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02-22-2009, 10:59 AM
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Darth, from looking at all these proposals, I kind of get the jist that you just don't want us keeping that #1 overall.

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02-22-2009, 11:25 AM
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This thread just made me nauseous.

I want nothing to do with trading a chance at JT. And if we do, someone needs to fill the void we've left ourselves by losing out on JT. Do I think Doughty is a superb defenseman? Obviously. But no way in hell do I do this trade.

Both sides don't do this. Yuck.

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02-22-2009, 11:39 AM
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I'll be honest, You my friend are crazy....lol

Tavares could very well put up numbers close to Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin.

At the very least he'll be as good as Patty Kane and Rick Nash.

Tavares is a Center you build a team around. He is a Franchise forward.

Now Drew Doughty will be very very good, but he won't be in the same league as a Tavares.
Funny hearing the same thing about Stamkos last year so much. Could pan out to be true but could pan out not to be.

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02-22-2009, 11:47 AM
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If the Islanders offered this trade to the Kings they do it in a heartbeat. Islanders don't do this trade if the Kings throw in the Staples Center beer sales over the next 25 years.

Potential future Mega Star for future all star defenseman.

Umm...no thanks
Nice username, what happens if the Islanders don't draft Tavares? And yes, Tavares could be a mega star, but have you heard any comparisons that Drew Doughty has been drawing? Ever heard of a guy named Ray Bourque? Just to let you know there is a difference between franchise defenseman and an all-star defenseman. And yes, Drew Doughty is a franchise defenseman.

Drew Doughty is our #1 defenseman who has PROVEN himself in the NHL already. Now tell me, has John Tavares played in an NHL game?

And, have you ever heard of Alexandre Daigle? There is no guarantee on any prospect coming into the NHL. Look at Stamkos, he was declared the most NHL-ready prospect in the draft yet he has struggled until recently.

So rethink your claim that the Kings would make this trade right away and that the Islanders would not go anywhere near it, because you are obviously blinded by your man crush on Tavares.

Now, Tavares should be a mega superstar as you said, I am just pointing out how you should not make assumptions just because you like Tavares. Plus, the Islanders are in mega rebuild mode, and they need a guy to build a team around and to bring excitement to their team. And no matter how good Doughty is, a franchise forward will always bring more attention than a defenseman.


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02-22-2009, 12:14 PM
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You see this one if very tough for me.

Drew doughty is already an NHL PLAYER.
Taveres is ready to become an NHL player.


If i was LA i would try and throw some snow at snow.

I would then counter with another deal.

Maybe Jack Johnson, Oscar Moller and a afew 2nds.


Like this LA would then be able to land taveres.

As for Jack Johnson. He is a stud as well. Not far off from Doughty thats forsure.

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02-22-2009, 12:16 PM
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If the Islanders offered this trade to the Kings they do it in a heartbeat. Islanders don't do this trade if the Kings throw in the Staples Center beer sales over the next 25 years.

Potential future Mega Star for future all star defenseman.

Umm...no thanks

POTENTIAL being the key word here. As others have already said, Doughty is the real deal and is a 19 year old rookie. There is no way in HELL that LA trades Doughty for anybody, especially for a kid who has NEVER played in the NHL.

It's going to be great when the Islanders don't win the draft lottery and miss out on Tavares. Who will you hype as your saviour then?

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02-22-2009, 12:19 PM
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It's going to be great when the Islanders don't win the draft lottery and miss out on Tavares. Who will you hype as your saviour then?
Uhhhhh, Hedman.

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02-22-2009, 12:29 PM
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Uhhhhh, Hedman.

My bad.

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02-22-2009, 12:57 PM
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This assumes that Isles get first overall.

Kings: First overall (John Taveres)

Isles: Drew Doughty


I have to be honest that if I am Lombardi, I don't do it. IMHO, Doughty is going to be better than any player taken in the 2008 or 2009 drafts (yes, that includes Hedman, Taveres, et all). But, I wanted to see what others thought.
It's an interesting thought but Doughty is here to stay.

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Only on HF could a guy who hasn't played a second in the NHL be worth "way more" than one of the top rookies in the league.

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02-22-2009, 01:41 PM
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Ill keep Doughty thank you very much. #1D>#1C

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Only on HF could a guy who hasn't played a second in the NHL be worth "way more" than one of the top rookies in the league.
Remind yourself this just prior to logging on each time to hockeysfuture:

Potential trumps accomplishment.

Thus is the silly mantra of many (not all) who populate this board.

If one accepts this going in, much of the drivel you read comes into focus and rather than being disgusted, you become amused.


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wow im surprised how much love Doughty is getting. Don't get me wrong he might become the best dman in the league and he's already proven, but i figured a kid with Tavares's potential only comes around every couple years.

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wow im surprised how much love Doughty is getting. Don't get me wrong he might become the best dman in the league and he's already proven, but i figured a kid with Tavares's potential only comes around every couple years.
As someone said already, potential is the key word. Doughty has already proven himself, and his potential is already being shown. Tavares hasn't played a single NHL game, we don't know what his NHL potential is yet.

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02-22-2009, 02:24 PM
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wow im surprised how much love Doughty is getting. Don't get me wrong he might become the best dman in the league and he's already proven, but i figured a kid with Tavares's potential only comes around every couple years.
Well, from LA's standpoint we had Gretzky for several years and we didn't win the cup and he was one of the best in the league. As a matter of fact he seriously helped destroy the LA prospect pool because of all the trades to get his buddies into town. We'd rather have solid defense and goaltending to build our team around.

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poor taveres.

Has to go play for the worst franchise in the league.

I have a feeling he will pull a Lindros and tell the fishermen to trade him to a real team

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I have a feeling he will pull a Lindros and tell the fishermen to trade him to a real team
Says the fan of a team never to sniff a Stanley Cup.

Talk down all you want, pal...After your team accomplishes something/anything...which it has proved incapable of doing for the first 40 years of its existence.

But then again, your team has collected lots of nice shiny prommmmmising kiddies, so that automatically positions them as a "real team," a winner.


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Says the fan of a team never to sniff a Stanley Cup.

Talk down all you want, pal...After your team accomplishes something/anything...which it has proved incapable of doing for the first 40 years of its existence.

But then again, your team has collected lots of nice shiny prommmmmisng kiddies, so that automatically positions them as a "real team," a winner.
I was waiting for this response.

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Well if you consider the odds the teams finishing 17-25(teams in which the Isles still pick first if they win the lottery), the Isles really have more of a 50% chance to pick 1st.

Not true. Their shot is about 50/50. they have a 25% at winning the lottery. When you add that in with the odds of a team with less than 5 overall winning, the Isles odds of retaining the 1st are 49%. They have a 51% chance of drafting 2nd.

But, that is a moot point, since I started the fantasy thread with "assume the Isles have first overall..."

Oh, and my main point here was really to say how highly I think of Doughty. He looks like a young Denis Potvin to me - and that is not a statement I make lightly.

I don't care how much hype Taveres and Hedman get - I just doubt either is going to have that kind of impact.

I'd not only give the Kings Taveres for Doughty in a heatbeat, I'd happily throw in a 2nd rounder.


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No thanks Darth. Kings love Doughty and Tavares gives the Islanders a great kid to market around. Seems like both teams would politely decline.

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