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03-11-2004, 11:06 AM
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Time For Bettman To Go

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...-oconnor_x.htm

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040311/nhl_season-sun.html

http://www.suntimes.com/output/hawks...pt-jenn11.html

The NHL is in terrible shape right now. We have a commissioner who, if it is possible, knows less about business then he does hockey. Under Gary Bettman's leadership, the NHL is dissappearing of the landscape of American Sports.

It is time for a commissioner who knows and understands hockey. Who is not afraid to make changes for the good of the game. A commissioner who will level with the public, not stating that everything is ok (like Bettman has for the last 5 years while the on ice product dwindled into the garbage it is today) and who will shoot strait.

Gary Bettman is bad for hockey.

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...-oconnor_x.htm

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040311/nhl_season-sun.html

http://www.suntimes.com/output/hawks...pt-jenn11.html

The NHL is in terrible shape right now. We have a commissioner who, if it is possible, knows less about business then he does hockey. Under Gary Bettman's leadership, the NHL is dissappearing of the landscape of American Sports.

It is time for a commissioner who knows and understands hockey. Who is not afraid to make changes for the good of the game. A commissioner who will level with the public, not stating that everything is ok (like Bettman has for the last 5 years while the on ice product dwindled into the garbage it is today) and who will shoot strait.

Gary Bettman is bad for hockey.
Its been time for a long time. He has tried to kill this sport since he took over as commissioner. Thats what we get for having a basketball guy trying to run our sport.

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That piece from USA today is pathetic. McSorley attempted to "behead" Donald Brashear? Moore's career is "shattered"? Give me a break.

The NFL has a bunch of amphetamine-wired criminals trying to kill eachother every week, players have been paralysed (Darrel Stingley anyone?, or Jack "they call me assassin" Tatum?), quarterbacks can't make it through half a season without being spoon-fed creamed corn and kept in yoga retreats to deal with their concussion-induced headaches, and more NFL players are sent to jail, indicted, or involved in shootings, brawls, and various other assorted scandals than athletes in any other sport. And yet clowns like this O'Connor guy jump on their orange crate and start yapping if one thing happens in an NHL game. Half-truths, innuendo, false assumptions: they all have a place in this kind of garbage rant about the NHL.

It's true, though, that Bettman's a sorry little geek who should not be running the game. And unless he snaps Goodenow and the union in half like a twig next summer, he won't be running it for long....

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Kwhatever, read all those 3 links you tossed up there. What does any of that have to do with Bettman? One article goes on about Heatleys car crash, Neilsen's unfortunate demise, and such events. Did Bettman wave a magic wand and cause all that? As to the other on-ice stuff, what are you advocating? Getting rid of the instigator rule? How is that going to shut up that babbler from usatoday? When they do that all you will get is some snide smirker on TV like Craig Kilbourne crapping out that "there is violence, so the Nhl does away with the rule against fighting---right!" Or maybe you prefer they make some more rules to eliminate that sort of thing. Why don't you say how? Seems like you just toss up some irrelevant links, and give your usual rant against Bettman, which is what you were going to do anyway. Is that all you got? Probably it is your usual fare.

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What former players or execs have law degrees or extensive experience in business that would best suit the needs of the next NHL commissioner? The league clearly needs somebody with roots in the game.

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What former players or execs have law degrees or extensive experience in business that would best suit the needs of the next NHL commissioner? The league clearly needs somebody with roots in the game.
I read somewhere that Stu Grimson is studying to be a lawyer in Tennessee.

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What former players or execs have law degrees or extensive experience in business that would best suit the needs of the next NHL commissioner? The league clearly needs somebody with roots in the game.

burke & quinn

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Kwhatever, read all those 3 links you tossed up there. What does any of that have to do with Bettman? One article goes on about Heatleys car crash, Neilsen's unfortunate demise, and such events. Did Bettman wave a magic wand and cause all that? As to the other on-ice stuff, what are you advocating? Getting rid of the instigator rule? How is that going to shut up that babbler from usatoday? When they do that all you will get is some snide smirker on TV like Craig Kilbourne crapping out that "there is violence, so the Nhl does away with the rule against fighting---right!" Or maybe you prefer they make some more rules to eliminate that sort of thing. Why don't you say how? Seems like you just toss up some irrelevant links, and give your usual rant against Bettman, which is what you were going to do anyway. Is that all you got? Probably it is your usual fare.
Your right, those articles have nothing to do with Bettman.

It isn’t Bettman’s fault that the NHL has over expanded itself to markets that should not have hockey teams so that now the talent pool in the league is so thin that we have a bunch of goons who cant skate clogging up the ice. These goons who have no business on the ice, coincidently have no respect for the game or the players they skate with. In addition, because only 16 of the 30 teams can make the playoffs,, coaches have to install lame systems to play not to lose (get fired-all it takes is one season of losing, ask quennville) that are boring to watch.

It isn’t Bettman’s fault that because of his feeble attempts to regulate goalie equipment, enforce the rulebook of hockey, and perform a general maintenance on the game (that every year the NBA and NFL do) that the on ice product is terrible. Nor is it Bettman’s fault that hockey is the worst marketed sport, let alone 2 billion dollar revenue producing business in the world.

If the NHL is on a “Treadmill to Obscurity,” make no bones about it, Gary Bettman is the runner and he is picking up speed.

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I read somewhere that Stu Grimson is studying to be a lawyer in Tennessee.
Sounds like a John Grisham novel in the making...

I think Brian Burke would be a viable candidate considering that he may not return to Vancouver. He a no-nonsense kind of guy and the league just can't take Bettman's sugar coatings any more.

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The league commish needs to be a politician too. While I like Burke's style of being upfront and to the point, he's not exactly great with the media. The commish needs to have a good relationship with the media in order to market the game. Telling the media that they're "drug-induced" doesn't really get you on their good side.

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Articles or no, Bettman is a lousy choice to lead this league, end of story. The guy has shown a lack of vision for the sport, a lack of leadership and is generally seems to have jell-o for a spine. He and his management team have had more than enough time to improve the game, yet it seemingly has gotten worse in some respects.

It will be a good thing when they're gone and someone with deep knowledge of the game and a good business sense take over. When is Bettman's "contract" up for review anyway?

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Gary Bettman is bad for hockey.
Well, yeah...

I think the first signal that the end is near for Mr. Bettman came this season when the owners voted to roll back the rule pushing the nets out from the boards. That's a Bettman invention, created to foster more Gretzky, Jr.'s that never materialized. Now it's going to be rolled back.

The problem is that he's a puppet for the owners, and a good one at that. He had tremendous support in the backrooms, despite the fact he is universally loathed by players and fans alike.

Keep Bettman, and in another 5 years we'll have goals twice the size they are now, 4-on-4 hockey for 60 minutes, and games decided without defensemen i.e. shootouts. Oh, and let's not forget the San Antonio Oilers and the Las Vegas Canucks.

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I think Ted Nolan should be commisoner

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How about Ken Dryden. Hi profile hockey legacy and a lawyer!

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Ken Dryden sounds good to me. He couldn't be any worse.

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Ah, the usual round of bash Bettman threads...

All ignoring the obvious that the real power in the NHL for almost everything that people blame Bettman for, is that all decisions regarding hockey and vast changes have to go through the board of governers.

Bettman doesnt make rule changes, the hockey people from each team recommend and implement all these changes that cause the uneducated to blame Bettman.

Expansion? Board of Governers.

Rule Changes? Board of Governers.

Blame the right people for once...

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Here's a question: who's on the BoG? Owners? How do they get chosen?

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Come on guys.. Bettman is the best thing to happen to the NHL ever....











































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Gary Bettman is merely a figurehead for the NHL Board of Governors.

Everything you guys are attributing to Bettman, except the lone act of telling the media that the NHL is doing just fine, was a decision made by the Board of Governors.

Don't you people realize that?

Gary Bettman has very little power. Everything he does has to first be approved by the BOG. So everything you accuse him of doing came from the owners.

You can't blame him, he doesn't have the power to do the things you accuse him of.

Edit: It looks like Fischel beat me to the punch. Exactly right, Mark.
Yeah I know... he's just so easy to bash though.. Just look at him.. it must suck to be him though.. people hate him and he's just doing what he's told.. oh well..

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Jeez, does no one remember John Ziegler? I don't think there's ever been a popular commissioner of any pro sport, everyone will find something to nit pick about said person and their performance.

BTW, here's an interesting article I've found taking about Bettman as commish.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

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NHL failures :
-2 refs system
-The instigator rule
-Expansions made too quickly
-Goal line moved
-Failed crackdowns on obstruction
-The skate in the goalie circle = goal disallowed rule
-Taking away tag up offsides
-The NHL last CBA with rookie contracts and numerous loopholes
-Bettman's failure to keep the GM's from overspending
-NHL teams not being profitable and numerous teams going bankrupt over the years
-Taking the NHL away from great fanbases such as Quebec, Winnipeg and Minnesota (only to give them one back a few years later) and awarding franchises to such markets as Carolina, Florida and Phoenix.
-Bettman's failure to market the game in the states.
-Trying to change the game to adapt it to the states which never worked and only made things worse.
-Finaly the NHL not acknowledging its mistakes and not willing to just go back to the way the game was before they screwed it up.

Bettman wether directly responsible or not has seen all of the above happen during his time at the helm. People keep saying he's not responsible for anything. Well what is he responsible for ? If he's that useless why is he paid to do nothing. Fact is the NHL has never been in such a sorry state and Bettman has done nothing to correct the situation. If he was to lose the upcomming CBA battle it would be pretty safe to say that he's accomplished nothing good in his whole tenure. It's amazing how a basketball guy can keep a hockey job for so long while being so bad at it.

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NHL failures :
-2 refs system
-The instigator rule
-Expansions made too quickly
-Goal line moved
-Failed crackdowns on obstruction
-The skate in the goalie circle = goal disallowed rule
-Taking away tag up offsides
-The NHL last CBA with rookie contracts and numerous loopholes
-Bettman's failure to keep the GM's from overspending
-NHL teams not being profitable and numerous teams going bankrupt over the years
-Taking the NHL away from great fanbases such as Quebec, Winnipeg and Minnesota (only to give them one back a few years later) and awarding franchises to such markets as Carolina, Florida and Phoenix.
-Bettman's failure to market the game in the states.
-Trying to change the game to adapt it to the states which never worked and only made things worse.
-Finaly the NHL not acknowledging its mistakes and not willing to just go back to the way the game was before they screwed it up.
Again, all things that were implemented by the league's Board of Governers, Who are all hockey people who know the game of hockey (for the most part)

If anything, you could blame the marketing on Bettman, but also the blame has to go to the players, who are uncomfortable with individuals being marketed for a team sport.

Expansion is partly Bettman, but more the individual owners for their money-grab of expansion fees to keep their spending sprees afloat. (Bettman came on and approved everything after Florida and Anaheim joined the league.

BOG is appointed by each team btw, not Bettman.

Enjoyed the blatant "Canadiasm" approach to your post though, although Canadians usually are more educated on their sport's inner-workings.

I will say it again...NINETY PERCENT OF THE THINGS BETTMAN IS BLAMED FOR IS BECAUSE OF THE LEAGUE'S BOARD OF GOVERNERS (A GOOD AMOUNT OF CANADIANS MAKE UP THAT BOARD...)

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This is not so much a response to the question of if Bettman should go but a response to the idea that changes need to be made because the image of the game is suffering.

So what?

In many places hockey doesn't get a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 4th look by the media unless something bad happens.

And yet the brain trusts of the NHL seem to feel that these same markets/critics need to be catered too. Why?

10 years ago the NHL ventured to solicite a whole bunch of new fans. At that time it made sense to "massage" the image of the NHL (to the dismay of the traditionalists), but those new fans never came, the big money didn't follow and now today the NHL culture is to keep catering to these people that frankly don't matter to the game.

I say forget about the image and concentrate on the game so that the fans who already exist can continue to follow the game they chose.

There will always be isolated incidents that will make the news in a negative way but these people that only see the game in that light can't be converted anyways. Frankly I would say that the NHL players are some of the best role models in professional sports, despite the odd incident.

They are not in the news for ****, for hiring hit men, killing their wives, selling drugs....and yet hockey has an image problem, huh?

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Again, all things that were implemented by the league's Board of Governers, Who are all hockey people who know the game of hockey (for the most part)

If anything, you could blame the marketing on Bettman, but also the blame has to go to the players, who are uncomfortable with individuals being marketed for a team sport.

Expansion is partly Bettman, but more the individual owners for their money-grab of expansion fees to keep their spending sprees afloat. (Bettman came on and approved everything after Florida and Anaheim joined the league.

BOG is appointed by each team btw, not Bettman.

Enjoyed the blatant "Canadiasm" approach to your post though, although Canadians usually are more educated on their sport's inner-workings.

I will say it again...NINETY PERCENT OF THE THINGS BETTMAN IS BLAMED FOR IS BECAUSE OF THE LEAGUE'S BOARD OF GOVERNERS (A GOOD AMOUNT OF CANADIANS MAKE UP THAT BOARD...)
Read my post again. I never said I blamed Bettman directly for all of the above. Which is why I wrote NHL failures not Bettman's failures...

The only things I said Bettman was directly responsible for were marketing (TV contracts and such things) and Bettman's failure on keeping the GMs from overspending because of those expansion fees that were just artificial revenues. He shouldn't have kept on agreeing to all these new franchises. He's part of the reason why players are overpaid today, part of the reason talent is diluted. He's a part of the reason why fans are complaining everywhere.

Yes I'm canadian and yes canadian appreciate hockey more than people in the states. It's a fact. They go to the games even when their team misses the playoffs for 5-6 consecutive years. Notice I also mentionned Minnesota who's, last time I checked, still in the states. I mentionned this city cuz they have great hockey fans. I just feel it's wrong to take hockey away from cities with good fanbases. It's not so much about Canada VS united states but more about Good fanbases and popularity VS bad fanbases and hockey being the 4th sport in the city they move in.

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The NHL is run by pansies...

There is no doubt that the downfall of the NHL began when Gary Bettman and crew took office as Commissioner in 1993. That is when the league became SELL focussed instead of GAME focussed. The Board of Governors for the league decided to make the sport into whatever would make the sport more SELLABLE by hiring this complete non-hockey guy to lead the league.

What made hockey great before the Bettman years?
Justice. The sport had quick justice right on the ice. If one team disrespected players on the other team - the team was met face-up right then. It was dealt with quickly and decisively...win or lose the fighting - there was definitely a price to pay for disrespect.

Scoring. Hockey had the most beautiful and elegant scoring of any sport there is. Speed, finesse, toughness, agility, accuracy, power...most goals were the result of a combination of those qualities. There was room on the ice for creative players to create magic. But never was goalscoring easy. Goals were earned by smart plays and sharp, skillful puck control.

Hits. Plain and simple. Bodies flew. Hockey had what kids in the US loved about football...banging bodies. Nothing greater than open ice hits. Two guys crashing into each other along the boards. It was awesome.

Fighting. Hockey players fought. They were passionate to keep their teams in games. That meant actually droppng the gloves sometimes to let your opponents know you were there and alive, despite the score, and that you weren't going to let them walk on you without a cost. Fighting increased respect among teams and increased justice on the ice. Also, with fighting came more room for star players to do what they do best...create scoring chances.

Not much selling needed to be done for a product that had all that! So what has Bettman and company done wrong? Why is our game hurting so much!?

Bettman came in and took all those pieces away! His policies for the league diminished each area of the game that was so great. Justice is slow if ever...cheap shots rarely get noticed and when they are the fines/suspensions are small deterence. Scoring has become more dependent on the ugly mucker goals - get in front and bang in the tight one - because players can't break through all the clutching and grabbing and the refs can't make all the calls - games would take forever and one team or both would be down a man for the entire 60mins. Hits still happen, players still lay each other out - but the respect is gone. Players come in with elbows up and our finesse players and stars pay the price. The game has become a grinder's game instead of a star's game. And fighting...well does anything really need to be said about the state of that? Fighting as a tool for justice and respect has all been basically eliminated. Fights mainly occur only for two guys who want to go at...no one learns a lesson, no message is really sent.

How do we save this league? Get rid of Bettman and all his policies. Bring back the set of rules that were there before he got here. Start back at that point.

Then get someone who loves the game, someone who has loved it for years, to come in and run the league. Sell the game as JUSTICE on ICE. JUST ICE. Sell the passion the players have. Sell the hits. Sell the fighting in terms of justice and respect. And most of all SELL THE INCREDIBLE SKILL THAT WILL ONCE AGAIN BE CLEARLY DISPLAYED ON THE ICE BY ALL THE STARS IN THE LEAGUE - the stars that have room because they are respected by their opponents. Sell the men who have played the game and spent their careers dishing out hits and goals for the name of the game...and ultimately for the honor of the Cup - the most coveted prize in sports.

In that game - Bertuzzi and McSorley would never have made it to land the blows they landed that have so tainted the game recently. In that league, both players would have been faced straight up...either to dole out some justice or receive it.

Man, i love that game.

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