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03-11-2009, 07:05 PM
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Gagne Upset at League's GMs

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Simon Gagne doesn’t get angry very often, but as someone who missed 56 games last season because of a blow to the head and subsequent concussion, he’s feels very strongly about head hunting in the NHL.

Which is why Gagne was angry at league general managers for failing to implement stiff penalties for flagrant head shots at this week’s meetings in Naples, Fla.

A survey conducted by the NHL Players Association showed that 75 percent of the players want head shots addressed, according to executive director Paul Kelly.

“Paul Kelly came out and said three-quarters of the players want the league to do something, it’s us playing and not them, and it’s easy to watch the game from upstairs,” Gagne said. “Players see something is wrong with it. We asked for them to do something and they don’t want to do it.

“It’s too bad for them. I don’t understand it. If 75 percent of the players think something needs to be [done] on head shots, and it’s getting worse and worse every season, and right now they are there talking about fighting. If you take that way, you’ll see even more dirty head shots.

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I certainly understand his frustration. He said almost the same thing after the Kovalev elbow to his head. From earlier this year

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"We have to do something to stop these hits," Gagne said. "And right now I'm ready to be that guy. I'll talk to the league, to anybody."

Gagne wants answers and he is going to get them himself from the NHL offices who said there will be no action against the hit.

"It's not going to come from the NHL, it's not going to come from teams, it's got to come from the players," Gagne added last night. "If you let those hits happen and players see that on TV, that's going to be a no-brainer and they are going to do it again.

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Cue "pot calling the kettle black" posts from idiot fans of other teams...

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(Other Teams fan) Agreed. Totally flagrant and quite possibly career ending. We like to see our players hit hard and such, but I would never wish permanent injury to any player, especially something to the head. they should atleast make it a game misconduct if they deem it to be intentional and an extra 2 minutes for accidental. Players should be enforced to keep it low and use shoulders to make Shoulder to SHOULDER contact.

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Cue "pot calling the kettle black" posts from idiot fans of other teams...
About Gagne? I would love to see someone talk bad about Gags.

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If 75% of the players don't like the head shots, stop the head shots. You dont think the leaders on NHL teams have any pull on their teammates? It really makes no sense. If 75% are against the head shots, how does the problem get worse? Its seems contradictory to me. Players can police themselves, especially if the majority of them are against it.

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I don't understand why they aren't even trying to do something about this, when 75% of the league's players are concerned about it....

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If 75% of the players don't like the head shots, stop the head shots. You dont think the leaders on NHL teams have any pull on their teammates? It really makes no sense. If 75% are against the head shots, how does the problem get worse? Its seems contradictory to me. Players can police themselves, especially if the majority of them are against it.
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If 75% of the players don't like the head shots, stop the head shots. You dont think the leaders on NHL teams have any pull on their teammates? It really makes no sense. If 75% are against the head shots, how does the problem get worse? Its seems contradictory to me. Players can police themselves, especially if the majority of them are against it.
So you think leaders on each team are going to step up and say something to their own teammates? Theyre supposed to go tell their rough guys to stop hitting high while guys are still taking runs at them? Thats not going to happen.

Thats like saying if 75% of MLB players say they are against steroids that it shouldnt be a problem because team leaders should tell their roided up stars to stop juicing. Juicing gives a team an advantage, just like head hunting can when players are afraid to go into corners with certain players.

If you think captains of teams are sucessfully going to go to 3rd and 4th liners and tell them to stop hitting high your nuts. Those guys get paid to be physical and if they arent going to crack down on headshots why would they stop doing it? Theyre going to feel like "this is what I get paid for. I get into players heads, I intimidate them and I'm physical. If i dont do this Ill be out of the league and why should I stop when Im not getting called for it?".


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If 75% of the players don't like the head shots, stop the head shots. You dont think the leaders on NHL teams have any pull on their teammates? It really makes no sense. If 75% are against the head shots, how does the problem get worse? Its seems contradictory to me. Players can police themselves, especially if the majority of them are against it.
If only it were that simple

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Thats like saying if 75% of MLB players say they are against steroids that it shouldnt be a problem because team leaders should tell their roided up stars to stop juicing. Juicing gives a team an advantage, just like head hunting can when players are afraid to go into corners with certain players.
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I certainly understand his frustration. He said almost the same thing after the Kovalev elbow to his head. From earlier this year
I think the hit he's more referring to is the elbow that he got from Karel Rachunek that effectively ended his season - and never really had to answer for it because Karel Rachunek isn't going to fight. He came back strong before that game, and after that he was about one level above a corpse and mysteriously got sick in the middle of a game in Pittsburgh, confirming that he had been playing with a concussion.

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Roberts and Jbo elbowed him last year too and J Staal got him once

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They did, but it was that game where it turned around where Gagne was not the same player anymore.

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I think the hit he's more referring to is the elbow that he got from Karel Rachunek that effectively ended his season - and never really had to answer for it because Karel Rachunek isn't going to fight. He came back strong before that game, and after that he was about one level above a corpse and mysteriously got sick in the middle of a game in Pittsburgh, confirming that he had been playing with a concussion.
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"He hit me pretty hard right to the head, and after what happened last year I was concerned. Until I was going to play [last night] I didn't know what to expect. I was nervous coming here."
From later in the article. Anyway, he obviously wants it out of the game.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...alexei-kovalev

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I was talking about the original premise. Not the hit by Kovalev.

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So if a player comes across the blue line with his head down give him a free pass? Or is it respect we're after when coming in from behind the player when his back is turned? WHen does it become the players responsibility to keep his head up or not turn his back to the hit? Next it'll be such a solid shoulder in the chest the player falls, hits his head on the ice and checking is removed altogether. It should be only the high deliberate headhunting that needs to be addressed, which is silly, because penalties should be assessed when there is an intent to injure anyway. Way i see it these hits are a byproduct of the instigator rule and the "new" NHLs love affair with a speedier more fast paced game.

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So if a player comes across the blue line with his head down give him a free pass? Or is it respect we're after when coming in from behind the player when his back is turned? WHen does it become the players responsibility to keep his head up or not turn his back to the hit? Next it'll be such a solid shoulder in the chest the player falls, hits his head on the ice and checking is removed altogether. It should be only the high deliberate headhunting that needs to be addressed, which is silly, because penalties should be assessed when there is an intent to injure anyway. Way i see it these hits are a byproduct of the instigator rule and the "new" NHLs love affair with a speedier more fast paced game.

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It doesnt matter if a player has his head down, you cant just go after a players head. I see what your saying but they are talking about the deliberate hits to the head, not when a guy ducks or whatever. They mean when a guy instead of keeping his shoulder level he either jumps or raises his shoulder or even elbow in an attempt to hit a players head to cause more damage. I dont think hits to the head have anythign to do with a faster game. It could be self enforced somewhat if the instigator rule was removed but at the same time, until the ref start handing out majors and the league hits them with suspensions players are going to continue to hit high and often because...well, why not? For a lot of these guys its their job to go out and intimidate and cause trouble, and they wont stop until its enforced.

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So if a player comes across the blue line with his head down give him a free pass? Or is it respect we're after when coming in from behind the player when his back is turned? WHen does it become the players responsibility to keep his head up or not turn his back to the hit? Next it'll be such a solid shoulder in the chest the player falls, hits his head on the ice and checking is removed altogether. It should be only the high deliberate headhunting that needs to be addressed, which is silly, because penalties should be assessed when there is an intent to injure anyway. Way i see it these hits are a byproduct of the instigator rule and the "new" NHLs love affair with a speedier more fast paced game.

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Yeah, that's kind of the way it's going. It will get to be hockey like it's played on Saturday mornings with 6-year olds.

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I don't understand why they aren't even trying to do something about this, when 75% of the league's players are concerned about it....
not to mention 95% of the fans

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I still say removal of the instigator rule will do a far better job of enforcing headhunters than any sort of new rule would. Especially a rule which asks refs to make subjective calls.

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I still say removal of the instigator rule will do a far better job of enforcing headhunters than any sort of new rule would. Especially a rule which asks refs to make subjective calls.
I think it would too, but that's not going to happen. Not anytime soon anyways.

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It doesnt matter if a player has his head down, you cant just go after a players head. I see what your saying but they are talking about the deliberate hits to the head, not when a guy ducks or whatever. They mean when a guy instead of keeping his shoulder level he either jumps or raises his shoulder or even elbow in an attempt to hit a players head to cause more damage. I dont think hits to the head have anythign to do with a faster game. It could be self enforced somewhat if the instigator rule was removed but at the same time, until the ref start handing out majors and the league hits them with suspensions players are going to continue to hit high and often because...well, why not? For a lot of these guys its their job to go out and intimidate and cause trouble, and they wont stop until its enforced.
Agree 100% with your last point. Short of removing the instigator, what more can you do? They have charging, elbowing and leaving your feet penalties. The speed of the game doesn't create more hitting, but rather amplifies the damage of a hit. Ok this hurts, but do you really think that Stevens should have let up on Lindros? Remove instigator, make players accountable (head up, not turning to a hit then bending over) and consistant reffin that ought to do it.

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I think it would too, but that's not going to happen. Not anytime soon anyways.
Agreed. I think if they knew how bad cheap shots would get by putting the instigator rule in place I think they would have never done it. BUT, its easier to look back on a mistake and know you screwed up than it is to take it back. If they took away the instigator rule it would look like to the average fan and people who dont know the game that they are actually in favor of fighting and that they want MORE of it, which is why I feel the instigator rule is here to stay for a while.

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