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Nikolai Khabibulin to PHI

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02-22-2009, 12:57 PM
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Nikolai Khabibulin to PHI

From chicago's standpoint its obvious that philly needs a goalie and would love habby

but question is.. what can chicago get in return?

Khabibulin for ??





and a second question
or is there a package that chicago could put together to get Claude Giroux? nikolai khabibulin and barker for giroux??

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02-22-2009, 01:03 PM
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Don't count on Giroux moving at all.

And we'd need to move contracts for him to fit [Khabby]

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From chicago's standpoint its obvious that philly needs a goalie and would love habby

but question is.. what can chicago get in return?

Khabibulin for ??
Nothing major. Trading significant pieces for a 36-year-old UFA goaltender is not good asset allocation. Biron as a salary dump, a good roster player, and a non-1st pick/prospect. I don't know that it's "obvious" that Philly would "love" Khabi, either. I am sure he is not the first goalie on their love list.


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or is there a package that chicago could put together to get Claude Giroux? nikolai khabibulin and barker for giroux??
No. I could get cute and say, "Sure if you add (insert young star player), then we can talk Giroux," but, in the interest of expediency, let's just call it a "no."

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From chicago's standpoint its obvious that philly needs a goalie and would love habby

but question is.. what can chicago get in return?

Khabibulin for ??





and a second question
or is there a package that chicago could put together to get Claude Giroux? nikolai khabibulin and barker for giroux??
No! Wow! No, We are not giving away Barker!

I think Philly is the perfect fit for Khabibulin but we need a C and Philly doesn't have that to spare. I have tried 2 3 team trades that get Hawks a C but with the playoff races the way they are it is hard to figure which teams will sell

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From chicago's standpoint its obvious that philly needs a goalie and would love habby

but question is.. what can chicago get in return?

Khabibulin for ??





and a second question
or is there a package that chicago could put together to get Claude Giroux? nikolai khabibulin and barker for giroux??
If we had that kind of cap space wed just sign Backstrom in the offseason and trade for him now. The market for goalies is low, the market for an old back up goalie UFA to be is no very much at all.

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If we had that kind of cap space wed just sign Backstrom in the offseason and trade for him now. The market for goalies is low, the market for an old back up goalie UFA to be is no very much at all.
Who would that be?

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Yeah, what mercury said about the young star would begin to get us discussing something involving Giroux.


I would like Khabby over Biron and Niitty any day of the week and twice on Sunday...

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Huet, a pending UFA, got the Habs a 2nd round pick last season. Khabibulin would probably fetch something similiar to that.

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If we had that kind of cap space wed just sign Backstrom in the offseason and trade for him now. The market for goalies is low, the market for an old back up goalie UFA to be is no very much at all.
If Khabibulin is a backup quality goaltender then there can't be many guys in the NHL that qualify as number ones...

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Khabibulin's stats for the uninformed about his play this year

17-5-5 2.37 GAA/ .924 Sv Pct and 1 Shutout

Hawks would probably like to move him to get another C but it wont hurt us one bit to go into playoffs continuing the Huet and old backup goalie soon to be UFA as others would say tandem!

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02-22-2009, 01:21 PM
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From chicago's standpoint its obvious that philly needs a goalie and would love habby

but question is.. what can chicago get in return?

Khabibulin for ??





and a second question
or is there a package that chicago could put together to get Claude Giroux? nikolai khabibulin and barker for giroux??
Considering they waived him earlier in the season and no one took him. I dont think you are going to land a top prospect.

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Considering they waived him earlier in the season and no one took him. I dont think you are going to land a top prospect.
17-5-5 2.37 GAA/ .924 Sv Pct and 1 Shutout

Not looking for a top prospect. Just a center!

But seriously, those stats! Does anyone actually watch Khabibulin play before they downgrade his abilities, etc

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PHI- Barker and Khabulin
CHI- Briere

Chicago gets the second line center they've been looking for.

Sharp-Toews-Kane
Versteeg-Briere-Havlat
Ladd-Bolland-Byfuligen

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Huet, a pending UFA, got the Habs a 2nd round pick last season. Khabibulin would probably fetch something similiar to that.
Except Khabibulin has better numbers this year than Huet did, has significantly more experience in the playoffs and has a cup ring. I think from my point of view Khabibulin is worth a late first (23-30 territory). However, with his salary i don't think there is a team out there who is in playoff contention and has that much cap space so Chicago would have to eat some salary.

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PHI- Barker and Khabulin
CHI- Briere

Chicago gets the second line center they've been looking for.

Sharp-Toews-Kane
Versteeg-Briere-Havlat
Ladd-Bolland-Byfuligen
We also get crippled when it comes time to resign Toews, Kane and Keith.

And i wouldn't move Barker straight up for Briere! Thats how much i value Briere and his contract.

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We also get crippled when it comes time to resign Toews, Kane and Keith.

And i wouldn't move Barker straight up for Briere! Thats how much i value Briere and his contract.
Briere's contract is completely appropriate for a PPG forward.

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Briere's contract is completely appropriate for a PPG forward.
Doesn't matter, Chicago cannot accomodate it. It is a bad contract from Chicago's point of view.

Biron + Jones + more salary (maybe Alberts?) +1st for Khabibulin +3rd.

Biron and Alberts walk at the end of the year, Jones can get flipped for a pick and Chicago gets a decent pick for the next draft. Philly gets their playoff tested #1 goalie and a lower round pick. Now i am not sure how highly valued Jones is but from what i've seen from Philly fans Alberts has little to no value and Biron is basically dead salary at this point.

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17-5-5 2.37 GAA/ .924 Sv Pct and 1 Shutout

Not looking for a top prospect. Just a center!

But seriously, those stats! Does anyone actually watch Khabibulin play before they downgrade his abilities, etc
If one goalie has more starts then another goalie, he is the starter. If one goalie gets waived by his team, he is not a starter. If no one picks him up for free from waivers, then no one will trade anything for him.

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I love how Briere gets thrown into random proposals.

He probably won't waive his NTC.
He's a PPG player, when healthy.
He's not a salary dump.

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Except Khabibulin has better numbers this year than Huet did, has significantly more experience in the playoffs and has a cup ring. I think from my point of view Khabibulin is worth a late first (23-30 territory). However, with his salary i don't think there is a team out there who is in playoff contention and has that much cap space so Chicago would have to eat some salary.
Everyone knows that Chicago has 9 million dollars tied up in their goaltending...nobody is going to give them a 1st in this draft or a top prospect, especially not a guy like Giroux for an impending UFA. Doesn't make any sense at all.

Giroux and Kane together would be absolutely terrifying however...both of their vision and scoring ability would just be crazy together.

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PHI- Barker and Khabulin
CHI- Briere

Chicago gets the second line center they've been looking for.

Sharp-Toews-Kane
Versteeg-Briere-Havlat
Ladd-Bolland-Byfuligen
Neither team would do this

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I love how Briere gets thrown into random proposals.

He probably won't waive his NTC.
He's a PPG player, when healthy.
He's not a salary dump.
Exactly he is a PPG player not a 100 point per season player. He contract is atrocious and he is locked up for 4 more years. He will be 32 at the start of next season and has been injured all season. He is probably on the decline of his career. Fact is he is a salary dump and if the Flyers could find someone to take that joke of a contract the would dump him in a heartbeat.

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Only way Khabibulin come to Philly will be to trade Briere!

But Briere cost way more than a one year Khabibulin !

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Exactly he is a PPG player not a 100 point per season player. He contract is atrocious and he is locked up for 4 more years. He will be 32 at the start of next season and has been injured all season. He is probably on the decline of his career. Fact is he is a salary dump and if the Flyers could find someone to take that joke of a contract the would dump him in a heartbeat.
6.5 million for a PPG player is atrocious??? Get out of here, look at some of the contracts that the Rangers have been handing out, Gomez, Drury, Redden...all make MORE than Briere and don't bring anything close to what Briere brings to the ice. THOSE are salary dumps, not a player who contributes on the ice every game.

And about the length, the last year of that contract Briere makes 2 million, the 2 years before that 3 million...so the final 3 years of his contract he makes a whopping 8 million dollars. If the Flyers need to, they can buy out the rest of his contract for much cheaper than you would think.

I'm not saying he's a good fit for Chicago, because he's not since they will need to sign a lot of players soon, but to say he is a salary dump is just not true.

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