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02-23-2009, 01:08 AM
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I'm curious what anyone of you would say if I proposed Schneider for a 2nd and 3rd orComrie and Campoli for Ottawa's top 10 1st rounder and McAmmond.
I'd appreciate some actual feedback instead of just "your proposals suck" or simply neglecting leaf fans. So I am a Leaf fan, you'd have to be a moron not to realize it after seeing my sig, thanks for pointing it out to everyone smart guys. Reality is most of you have absolutely no input instead your sitting on your fat butts bashing anything that doesn't favour you!
The Habs also get another conditional draft pick back that could be as high as a 3rd round draft pick or as low as a 5th so basically they traded a 2nd round draft pick for Schneider which too be honest is about where you would expect his value would be around the trade deadline.

People need to seriously stop staying that the Thrashers got a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick for Schneider alone.

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Looks like Kubina isnt going anywhere.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Howar...Summer/3/19564

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Everytime the leafs do a proposal I can't help but laugh.

How bout a little more realism.

Columbus
Antropov

Toronto
2nd and Marc Methot D

Stanley Cup Contender
Kubina

Toronto
1st (late)


Stanley Cup Contender
1st (late)
Solid Prospect (a good one but not a top tier guy such as: Alzner, JVR, etc.)

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Columbus and Pittsburgh both reject, Nashville........... I'm not sure


umm the Nashville was the worst trade out of the 3 of them...

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02-23-2009, 05:36 AM
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Everytime the leafs do a proposal I can't help but laugh.

How bout a little more realism.

Columbus
Antropov

Toronto
2nd and Marc Methot D

Stanley Cup Contender
Kubina

Toronto
1st (late)


Stanley Cup Contender
1st (late)
Solid Prospect (a good one but not a top tier guy such as: Alzner, JVR, etc.)
This is what most Leaf fans are asking for.

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Hey, don't be too put off by the criticism. I appreciate that you put so much work in the proposal. Just post it in the proposal thread of the Leaf forum first next time to get a rough idea of value and it'll be better received next time.
Right, because he is the only Leaf fan that overvalues their players right? These proposals are horrible, and expected. Brassard is a great young prospect, and that package would definitely not be anywhere near what he would warrant. If anyone thinks that Antropov is going to bring back a high pick and player as good as Suter, you are going to be very dissapointed.

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Right, because he is the only Leaf fan that overvalues their players right? These proposals are horrible, and expected. Brassard is a great young prospect, and that package would definitely not be anywhere near what he would warrant. If anyone thinks that Antropov is going to bring back a high pick and player as good as Suter, you are going to be very dissapointed.
What are you talking about? I obviously don't think that. I was trying not to slam him, and to get him to post in the trade proposal thread on the Leafs forum for a while. If you didn't like this proposal, isn't that a good thing?

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No one wants Kaberle. His huge concussion history (according to some) means his value is nothing more than Radek Bonk, who may have more value because he's never had a concussion.

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02-23-2009, 09:13 AM
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No one wants Kaberle. His huge concussion history (according to some) means his value is nothing more than Radek Bonk, who may have more value because he's never had a concussion.
Nikita, taking arguments from one thread into another is pretty much trolling. Kaberle doesn't have a history of concussions. He's completely recovered. If Bergeron recovers to a similar extent, there'll be no concerns about his health.

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What the....? This thread is about the Leafs, not Marc-Andre Bergeron.

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What the....? This thread is about the Leafs, not Marc-Andre Bergeron.
Haha, of course.

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Here, I'll take on the role of GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs and propose a few trades with the inclination that they will improve us in the long run (2-3 years). From there fans of their respected clubs as well as Leaf fans could post their opinions regarding whether or not they believe I am a realist or just a goof hah.
Players on my trading block include: Antropov, Bell, Blake, Kaberle, Kubina, Ponikarovsky & Stajan

First, I'd attempt to swing a deal with a club trying to get into the playoffs.
To Toronto:
Ryan Suter
2nd Rounder


To Nashville
Nikolai Antropov

I see Antropov as a nice fit on a line with Erat & Bonk in the pursuit of a playoff spot.

Second, I'd send..
To Columbus
Pavel Kubina
Jason Blake
3rd Rounder


To Toronto
Derrick Brassard
(salary dump)


Columbus gets a defenceman to stand up to a forwards rushing Mason in the playoffs, which will be inevitable & takes a
chance on a streaking forward who was quoted to saying "as you get older your your desire for the cup increases." (I'm not
going as far as saying Blake is a playoff performer which would be far from true but he very well maybe a pest who scores some big goals for them in the playoffs). In return Toronto receives a top tier prospect and another player as a salary dump.

Thirdly,
To Toronto
Jordan Staal
Ryan Whitney
2nd Rounder


To Pittsburgh
Tomas Kaberle
Alexei Ponikarovsky


Pittsburgh receives a top 5 puck moving defenceman who can keep up with their offense on the rush. If pittsburgh plays Crosby & Malkin on seperate lines they could have Gonchar and Kaberle anchor each line respectively (Kaberle on one and Gonchar on the other instead of pairing them together). Ponikarovsky would be a good dump and chase sort of player on their third line. Toronto receives prospects and another pick.

The Toronto Line up looks like this after the deadline.

Hagman Grabovski Kulemin
Stempniak Brassard Stajan
Mitchell Staal May
Mayers Moore Hollweg

Schenn Van Ryn
White Whitney
Finger Suter

Toskala
Pogge

A top 5 pick and three 2nd rounders in the draft as well as the pursuit of a first line winger like Rick Nash in the offseason and the rebuilding process is off to a head start. Stempniak is moved or plays in the AHL as well as Stajan, and you fill those wings with offseason acquisitions and your done.

See this GM thing isn't hard at all hehe.. everyone leave their opinions!
Another Monday Morning Laugh at the expense of a Leaf poster.
You are totally out of your mind if u think any of these can happen outside of NHL 09 for your xbox360.

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02-23-2009, 10:40 AM
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In the same logic....

Jason Blake
Nik Antropov
Jiri Tlusty

For Malkin


The penguins improve on the wing with an amazing pair of wingers (LOLZ) to play with Crosby, and the leafs get the player with the most points in the league.

This guy is clueless, I rarely post but this thread is an epic FAIL!

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02-23-2009, 10:58 AM
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I'm projecting the teams in the west, in a tight conference, to be willing to swing some deals especially in markets that really aren't there during a time of recession in order to make the playoffs ASAP and maintain whatever fan base they have over there. I am also someone who thinks that trades like these will occur and anyone who disagree's is seriously undermining this years deadline potential. I am also very enthusiastic, seeing as how I believe deals will be swung, because the top defenceman and one of the top forwards at the deadline will be Maple Leafs so LET THE BIDDING BEGIN!
Patrick - I'm not trying to be a jerk - but can you give me ONE example where trade deadline rental's returned bonified BLUE CHIP young players who were contributing at the NHL level? Guys like Ryan Suter and Derrick Brassard don't get traded for 20+ games of Antropov.

And asking the Jackets to pick up $9M in salary just is not realistic, even if you're willing to take a salary dump back.

This isn't the first year when you've got a bunch of teams close to making the P/O's. To think that the Leafs will get the level of quality young players back in the deal is just ludicrous.

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Chicago - Ponickerofski, Kubina for Skille, Sopel and a 3rd..
Edmonton - Stempniak for Grebeshkov and a 3rd.
Detroit - Mayers for a 4th.
New Jersey - Antropov, Van Ryn for Madden, Vrana, Cormier and a 2nd.

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man this stuff is why I spend most of my time on the boards defending the team and players. Your making us all look like idiots. Yes these are players we'd like all like to have the problem is we wont' be getting them.

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No one wants Kaberle. His huge concussion history (according to some) means his value is nothing more than Radek Bonk, who may have more value because he's never had a concussion.
What are you talking about. His huge concussion history of one. If teams didn't want players because they've had a concussion then there would be a lot of players with no value.

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Chicago - Ponickerofski, Kubina for Skille, Sopel and a 3rd..
Edmonton - Stempniak for Grebeshkov and a 3rd.
Detroit - Mayers for a 4th.
New Jersey - Antropov, Van Ryn for Madden, Vrana, Cormier and a 2nd.

blah.
Ponikarovsky not whatever you put there

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I'm curious what anyone of you would say if I proposed Schneider for a 2nd and 3rd or
Comrie and Campoli for Ottawa's top 10 1st rounder and McAmmond.
I'd appreciate some actual feedback instead of just "your proposals suck" or simply neglecting leaf fans. So I am a Leaf fan, you'd have to be a moron not to realize it after seeing my sig, thanks for pointing it out to everyone smart guys. Reality is most of you have absolutely no input instead your sitting on your fat butts bashing anything that doesn't favour you!
welcome to the main boards. This is why leafs fans keep saying bring it to our boards first. If it get's through there you could have a shot at a decent thread here. If in your head you believe you've thought this through and that it will end well guess what. This is the end result. Your proposal are very one sided and we would have told you in a more favorable way in the leafs thread. You wanted to post with the big boys this is what your gonna get. Even when the trades are close there are lot's of people who still post negative stuff. The problem is your proposals are so far off your gonna get nothing but bashing. Get use to seeing this. This won't end well, lock this thread or let the flaming begin.

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No one wants Kaberle. His huge concussion history (according to some) means his value is nothing more than Radek Bonk, who may have more value because he's never had a concussion.
Kaberle had one concussion in his career and missed a grand total of 8 games because of it. Next to this broken hand, his worst recent injury was a shoulder problem in 03-04 that caused him to miss 10 games.

Now, I'm no doctor, but I'd say he's a pretty safe bet injury-wise.

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I think Nashville might except if Toronto adds their first pick this year but still I doubt it.

We still don't.

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First two proposals are absolute highway robbery by the Leafs. Just terrible. Last one is feasible if you take out the 2nd on PIT's end.

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For education purposes only. I'd comment on the Nashville trade, but that's been discussed enough. So...

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Second, I'd send..
To Columbus
Pavel Kubina
Jason Blake
3rd Rounder


To Toronto
Derrick Brassard
(salary dump)


Columbus gets a defenceman to stand up to a forwards rushing Mason in the playoffs, which will be inevitable & takes a
chance on a streaking forward who was quoted to saying "as you get older your your desire for the cup increases." (I'm not
going as far as saying Blake is a playoff performer which would be far from true but he very well maybe a pest who scores some big goals for them in the playoffs). In return Toronto receives a top tier prospect and another player as a salary dump.
Trading Brass doesn't work. Brassard is arguably the most untouchable of the Big 5 there is, potentially even over Mason, because he is our only realistic prospect at center. That untouchability status was touched on in myth #1.

Salary dump balance doesn't work. Howson has managed the contracts here such that, unless Huselius suddenly becomes a liability, we don't have any. This was touched on in myth #9.

Jason Blake doesn't work. He's a winger. We have a bloody f##kton of wingers, on our team and in the system. He'd have almost noplace to play. His contract just makes it worse.

Your rationale for Kubina doesn't work. Our defense is built almost entirely on shutdown ability; the top pairing of Commodore and Hejda exists exclusively to shut down top-sixers because they can't hardly score. While Kubina would be useful for his offensive output ability, he's not strictly needed.

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... as well as the pursuit of a first line winger like Rick Nash in the offseason...
As a low-key guy who avoids excess publicity, the captain of our team, the face of the franchise, our only 1st overall pick ever, and a rapidly maturing superstar who genuinely enjoys this town, Rick Nash is fully expected to be signed to a very nice contract extension with the Jackets this July.

Oh, and in another post...

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I believe that there will be many deals swung deadline day.. some invol2ving teams on the playoff bubble playing in measily markets in order to make the playoffs and push (i.e. Nashville, Columbus, Florida). This will cause the value of players on selling teams to go up.
Myth #4.

All that said... I applaud you for at least trying to think through needs of other teams. Just need to do some better research next time.

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For education purposes only. I'd comment on the Nashville trade, but that's been discussed enough. So...



Trading Brass doesn't work. Brassard is arguably the most untouchable of the Big 5 there is, potentially even over Mason, because he is our only realistic prospect at center. That untouchability status was touched on in myth #1.

Salary dump balance doesn't work. Howson has managed the contracts here such that, unless Huselius suddenly becomes a liability, we don't have any. This was touched on in myth #9.

Jason Blake doesn't work. He's a winger. We have a bloody f##kton of wingers, on our team and in the system. He'd have almost noplace to play. His contract just makes it worse.

Your rationale for Kubina doesn't work. Our defense is built almost entirely on shutdown ability; the top pairing of Commodore and Hejda exists exclusively to shut down top-sixers because they can't hardly score. While Kubina would be useful for his offensive output ability, he's not strictly needed.



As a low-key guy who avoids excess publicity, the captain of our team, the face of the franchise, our only 1st overall pick ever, and a rapidly maturing superstar who genuinely enjoys this town, Rick Nash is fully expected to be signed to a very nice contract extension with the Jackets this July.

Oh, and in another post...



Myth #4.

All that said... I applaud you for at least trying to think through needs of other teams. Just need to do some better research next time.
I appreaciate your input and have realized that my proposals may have been brash in the smallest sense of the word but can you blame me, after all it is apparent that I am a leaf fan and obviously a lil' jealous of the young talent other teams possess.haha

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