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02-22-2009, 07:29 PM
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Ottawa/Edmonton

With Visnovsky out for the season and Grebeshkov out for a month or so it would make sense that Edmonton would want to bring in a defensemen. So here's my proposal:

To Edmonton: Filip Kuba
To Ottawa: Ladislav Smid and a 2nd rounder

Why does Edmonton do this? They need somebody to replace the 2 defensemen that are out.

Why does Ottawa do this? Kuba probably won't be back next year and they'll want to get as much for him as they can. Smid was also drafted by Murray while he was in Anaheim.

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what no vermette?

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With Visnovsky out for the season and Grebeshkov out for a month or so it would make sense that Edmonton would want to bring in a defensemen.
You aren't bringing in a defensemen, you are trading 1 to get 1.

Kuba no doubt would help the Oil, but not at the expense of a defensemen. Plus I think Ottawa would be wise to keep Kuba to help tutor Karlsson (Sorry for spelling) & Hedman next year .

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Definitely the type of return Ottawa would likely be looking for in a Kuba deal. Don't know whether the Oilers would want to trade Smid mid-season though, although I'm admittedly pretty ignorant on his role on the Oilers right now.

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what no vermette?
If the Oilers want to add Vermette then they'll have to give up something a lot more substantial.

I would say Kuba and Vermette for Grebeshkov and a 2nd but he's is out and I don't think players can be traded while they are on IR.

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You aren't bringing in a defensemen, you are trading 1 to get 1.

Kuba no doubt would help the Oil, but not at the expense of a defensemen. Plus I think Ottawa would be wise to keep Kuba to help tutor Karlsson (Sorry for spelling) & Hedman next year .
Ottawa would be out of their mind to pay Kuba UFA dollars. They have to bite the bullet of their own cap situation, the last thing they need is another big contract for a depth player.

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Definitely the type of return Ottawa would likely be looking for in a Kuba deal. Don't know whether the Oilers would want to trade Smid mid-season though, although I'm admittedly pretty ignorant on his role on the Oilers right now.
He's playing Top 4 minutes atm and looking damn fine doing it. He's physical, skates well, and now with the minutes his offensive game is starting to come out. He has been leading 3-5 end to enders every game, exciting stuff for sure.

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You aren't bringing in a defensemen, you are trading 1 to get 1.

Kuba no doubt would help the Oil, but not at the expense of a defensemen. Plus I think Ottawa would be wise to keep Kuba to help tutor Karlsson (Sorry for spelling) & Hedman next year .
Kuba is a little better then Smid at this point in time though. He has lots of experience and can play over 20 minutes a game, including the power play and penalty kill.

As for resigning Kuba. I highly doubt that will happen.

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Kuba is a little better then Smid at this point in time though. He has lots of experience and can play over 20 minutes a game, including the power play and penalty kill.

As for resigning Kuba. I highly doubt that will happen.
Yes but Kuba is a UFA.

You are also not solving the Oilers problems, they need more capable bodies on the back-end, not short-term upgrades.

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You aren't bringing in a defensemen, you are trading 1 to get 1.

Kuba no doubt would help the Oil, but not at the expense of a defensemen. Plus I think Ottawa would be wise to keep Kuba to help tutor Karlsson (Sorry for spelling) & Hedman next year .
We're not getting Hedman. I've just come out of my repression today.

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No way in hell the Oilers do this! Smid is such a stud, he reminds me a bit of Brayden Cobourn with a Jarkko Ruutu mouth. And for a UFA? no thanks..

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If the Oilers want to add Vermette then they'll have to give up something a lot more substantial.

I would say Kuba and Vermette for Grebeshkov and a 2nd but he's is out and I don't think players can be traded while they are on IR.
Again not even close..

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Kuba is a little better then Smid at this point in time though. He has lots of experience and can play over 20 minutes a game, including the power play and penalty kill.

As for resigning Kuba. I highly doubt that will happen.
Smid is 22....Kuba is a UFA.....That makes Smid much more valuable to us than Kuba would be....however.....Chorney+ for Kuba....

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oilers will not trade for a d-man who is about to UFA!

they will pay less for a rental stay at home d-man

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Yes but Kuba is a UFA.

You are also not solving the Oilers problems, they need more capable bodies on the back-end, not short-term upgrades.
How about this then.

Kuba and Vermette for Smid and a 1st rounder.

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we want Smid

I think Murray is going after him actually, and he is a Murray draftee

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If the Oilers want to add Vermette then they'll have to give up something a lot more substantial.

I would say Kuba and Vermette for Grebeshkov and a 2nd but he's is out and I don't think players can be traded while they are on IR.
No thanks....we dont need Vermette....and that deal is in Ottawas favour by quite a bit...Grebs for Volchenkov or Phillips?

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How about this then.

Kuba and Vermette for Smid and a 1st rounder.
Don't need Vermette. Oilers fans on the boards are infatuated with him, but we have a glut of centers.

Oilers pass on the price for Kuba.

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How about this then.

Kuba and Vermette for Smid and a 1st rounder.
So Smid and 1st for Vermette---who has 1 more season till UFA

no thanks--toss in Spezza

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we want Smid

I think Murray is going after him actually, and he is a Murray draftee
well tough than, unless there is a offer we cant re-fuse, he's not leavning..

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Doubt Edmonton would do Smid for Kuba straight up. Smid is a young, physical, stay at home defenseman, something the Oilers could use more of. He may not be as good as Kuba now, but he'll help us a hell of a lot more in the long term. We obviously wouldn't be able to hang on to Kuba, and we won't be making enough noise in the playoffs (if we even make it) to justify trading a pretty good young Dman, not to mention a draft that's supposedly quite deep.

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well tough than, unless there is a offer we cant re-fuse, he's not leavning..
mmm hmmmm

Ottawa and Edmonton just don't make good trading partners. They don't wanna part with the parts edmonton would be interested in, and understandably so. This is the part where we both go our separate ways.

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oilers will not trade for a d-man who is about to UFA!

they will pay less for a rental stay at home d-man
Fine, we'll give you Smith and Kuba for Smid if you need a shutdown dman.

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Fine, we'll give you Smith and Kuba for Smid if you need a shutdown dman.
Still no thanks, Smith doesnt bring much value. And we also wouldnt have room for him next season. If Edmonton goes for a defenceman it will be a rental.

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mmm hmmmm

Ottawa and Edmonton just don't make good trading partners. They don't wanna part with the parts edmonton would be interested in, and understandably so. This is the part where we both go our separate ways.

Lock.
I guess we'll find out then. I know Murray has a man crush on Smid since he's the one who drafted him. Today there was a rumor in the Sun saying that he had some interest in him. That's kind of what made me think of the proposal.

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