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02-22-2009, 11:10 PM
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Everyone's favorite guy is hearing a prospect and a #1 for Antropov
Someone is going to panic and agree to this. I don't know if it's Vancouver, but the Canucks are certainly pulling away from the pack in the West and can probably start turning their attention to "things we need to do to improve our chances in the playoffs.

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No one wanted him for a 1st rounder last year, and that was including the fact that he wasn't about to become a Free Agent.
If there's one thing everyone should understand as we go into the 4th trade deadline after the lockout, it's that the return on impending UFA's is higher than it is for players signed for the following season. Saying, "but he didn't get a 1st last year, why would he this year" misses the point as badly as, "why would anyone trade for ______ when they could have claimed him on waivers for free?"

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If there's one thing everyone should understand as we go into the 4th trade deadline after the lockout, it's that the return on impending UFA's is higher than it is for players signed for the following season.
Huh? I think this really misses the mark. A good player on a good contract is going to be of more value than the same good player as a UFA. We just see more big packages for UFAs at the deadlines because teams aren't willing to give up their good players on good contracts.

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02-22-2009, 11:15 PM
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Someone is going to panic and agree to this. I don't know if it's Vancouver, but the Canucks are certainly pulling away from the pack in the West and can probably start turning their attention to "things we need to do to improve our chances in the playoffs.


If there's one thing everyone should understand as we go into the 4th trade deadline after the lockout, it's that the return on impending UFA's is higher than it is for players signed for the following season. Saying, "but he didn't get a 1st last year, why would he this year" misses the point as badly as, "why would anyone trade for ______ when they could have claimed him on waivers for free?"
There are 16 teams that want to improve. Adding Antropov will not make us a better playoff team. LOok at his playoff stats. Why the **** would we want to trade a valuable asset like a 1st round pick for him. antropov? Isn't Dallas, Minnesota i the heat of the race? Why not ask if Dallas is willing to trade their 1st round pick for a calibre of Antropov level.

Hey DAllas fans, you interested in Antropov? It costs a 1st rounder. You up for it?

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02-22-2009, 11:17 PM
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I guess that means Vancouver's out of the running...

Then again, he was right about Schneider...

... naw. To get Antropov before the deadline it would take more than a 1st (since that's Burke's asking price), but I'd be surprised if someone offered that prior to the deadline.
Eklund's record so far: 10 correct rumors, 321 incorrects. Success rate? 3%.

When you throw out enough crap, some of it is bound to stick.

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Eklund's record so far: 10 correct rumors, 321 incorrects. Success rate? 3%.

When you throw out enough crap, some of it is bound to stick.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for that "E4" he had on Friday about Cole going to Pittsburgh. It was very likely to happen this weekend, according to the worst rumour site out there.


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02-22-2009, 11:28 PM
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gotta love Canucks fans.

here their team is looking great with the mats addition, and is looking to contend this year with a very good team....

....and all they care about is a late 1st round pick, who MIGHT turn out to be a decent NHler in 4 or 5 years.

so weird.

this game is about winning the Stanley Cup, not about having the best prospects.

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02-22-2009, 11:31 PM
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Antropov isn't an upgrade to what Vancouver has in the top 6 right now though, so trading a 1st round pick for him would be redundant.
Antropov is a serious upgrade on either Burrows or Kesler.

What's better, he'd let you guys reunite Burrows and Kesler on get your very good 3rd line back.

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02-22-2009, 11:32 PM
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gotta love Canucks fans.

here their team is looking great with the mats addition, and is looking to contend this year with a very good team....

....and all they care about is a late 1st round pick, who MIGHT turn out to be a decent NHler in 4 or 5 years.

so weird.

this game is about winning the Stanley Cup, not about having the best prospects.
I'm not even opposed to moving the first round pick, but if you're going to move it (and any sort of legitimate prospect) at least get something better then Antropov, and maybe try to fill a hole on the team - like a puck-moving defenseman. And no, another soft, 50-point 'tweener' 2nd liner like Antropov is not a 'need' for Vancouver.

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02-22-2009, 11:34 PM
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I'm not even opposed to moving the first round pick, but if you're going to move it (and any sort of legitimate prospect) at least get something better then Antropov, and maybe try to fill a hole on the team - like a puck-moving defenseman. And no, another soft, 50-point 'tweener' 2nd liner like Antropov is not a 'need' for Vancouver.
heh.

Antropov is the highest scoring player available this deadline.

He is also the opposite of soft - he's a physical beast who adds bigtime physical presence immediately, and great defensive play.

he'll easily get a 1st rounder from whatever team wants to add the best available forward at the deadline.

if the Canucks want to let him pass, and not try to make their team as good as possible for a cup run this year, after making a big play for Sundin and with most every one of their key players a UFA this offseason....well, that's up to them.

enjoy the B prospect you get from this late 1st round pick instead - he might turn out to be an average NHLer in 4 or 5 years, if you're lucky.

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02-22-2009, 11:38 PM
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heh.

Antropov is the highest scoring player available this deadline.

He is also the opposite of soft - he's a physical beast who adds bigtime physical presence immediately, and great defensive play.

he'll easily get a 1st rounder from whatever team wants to add the best available forward at the deadline.
Please.

The guy is a 30 year old 10th overall draft pick who is about to break the 50 point barrier for only the second time in his career this year. He also has absolutely abysmal playoff statistics. And to say Antropov is a physical beast is really pushing it. He's been labeled a 'soft big man' since he broke into the league.

Maybe some team will give up a first rounder for him, but it sure as heck better not be the Canucks. We have more pressing needs at the moment then more wingers. As I said (and you ignored), I have no issue moving our first rounder, but if we do it had sure better be used to bring in a player at a position we actually need.

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heh.

Antropov is the highest scoring player available this deadline.

He is also the opposite of soft - he's a physical beast who adds bigtime physical presence immediately, and great defensive play.

he'll easily get a 1st rounder from whatever team wants to add the best available forward at the deadline.

if the Canucks want to let him pass, and not try to make their team as good as possible for a cup run this year, after making a big play for Sundin and with most every one of their key players a UFA this offseason....well, that's up to them.

enjoy the B prospect you get from this late 1st round pick instead - he might turn out to be an average NHLer in 4 or 5 years, if you're lucky.

And he's had tremendous success in the playoffs!!

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why do VAN fans hate TOR so much... Antropov will get a 1st or a 1st like trade 2nd+worthy prospect or a prospect worth a 1st something like this.. and man if it does all you will see is half the people saying o told you so and the other half WTH over value... just look at trades so far... Antropov can get a 1st like deal...
and as for playoffs guy hasnt been in playoffs from 2004.. think maybe JUST MAYBE theirs a chance his game has grown form then like his reg season stats have?

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enjoy the B prospect you get from this late 1st round pick instead - he might turn out to be an average NHLer in 4 or 5 years, if you're lucky.
So he'll turn out like Antropov? Thanks for the heads up.

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If there's one thing everyone should understand as we go into the 4th trade deadline after the lockout, it's that the return on impending UFA's is higher than it is for players signed for the following season. Saying, "but he didn't get a 1st last year, why would he this year" misses the point as badly as, "why would anyone trade for ______ when they could have claimed him on waivers for free?"
I politely disagree with your statement. Using your argument, Kovalchuk is going to be worth more next year as opposed to this year because he's bound to be a UFA?

I believe what you're trying to say is that rentals are worth more because teams aren't on the hook for their salary next season? If that's the case, then I can reciprocate your argument and say that players on longer contracts are preferable at the trade deadline. Ask Pittsburgh fans if they wanted Hossa with a two-year deal left on his contract when they acquired him at last year's deadline.

Pretty sure that the only time a UFA at the deadline would be preferred is if he's over-paid and is nothing more than a Top-9/Bottom 6 defender.

Antropov is such a player, and he's not going to be fetching a 1st round pick. (Not from Vancouver, anyways)

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Then again, he was right about Schneider...
LOL. As much as his fanboys and multiple aliases around the Net want it to be true, the last rumor Eklund made up about Schneider had him going to Buffalo back on January 20th:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=18969

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Eklund's record so far: 10 correct rumors, 321 incorrects. Success rate? 3%.

When you throw out enough crap, some of it is bound to stick.
Yes so 93% chance this E4 is incorrect. I agree with those odds

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gotta love Canucks fans.

here their team is looking great with the mats addition, and is looking to contend this year with a very good team....

....and all they care about is a late 1st round pick, who MIGHT turn out to be a decent NHler in 4 or 5 years.

so weird.

this game is about winning the Stanley Cup, not about having the best prospects.
And you gotta understand as well that this organization has only 2 maybe 3 legitimate prospects in it's system.

If they have any plans to resign Luongo after next season then they better be able to consistantly put a good product on the ice and trading your 1st round draft pick doesn't get you that.

Think of it this way. Last season this team almost traded it's 1st round draft pick as part of a package for Brad Richards. That 1st round draft pick is now our number 1 prospect in Cody Hodgson.

Antropov by no means puts us over the top. Even with Antropov we may not be good enough to beat San Jose or Detroit. I'd much rather hold on to that 1st round draft pick and hope for the best during the playoffs.

Gillis has already said that adding Sundin was his big deal of the year and he's said many times that he wants to build this our farm system.

Here's a recent article for you to have a look at:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...701/story.html

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yeah, Nik wouldn't be an upgrade at all.

best be keeping that late 1st rounder. Maybe in five years you get lucky and have another player as good as Ryan kesler is this year, five years after he was drafted. Or maybe you get another decent goalie prospect 4 years from now who's as good as Schenider is right now 4 years after he was drafted. Or maybe you end up with another Nathan Smith or Artem Chubarov.

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Please.

The guy is a 30 year old
Antropov is 28.

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10th overall draft pick
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who is about to break the 50 point barrier for only the second time in his career this year.
And who has produced at a 28 goal, 62 point pace over the last 3 seasons, 185 games in total.


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He also has absolutely abysmal playoff statistics.
he hasn't played in the playoffs since he was 23.

He's playoff stats by age 23 look no worse than, say, Daniel Sedin's.

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And to say Antropov is a physical beast is really pushing it.
No, it's not pushing it in the least.

He'd be the most significant physical presence on any of the Canucks' top-3 lines.

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He's been labeled a 'soft big man' since he broke into the league.
no he hasn't.

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Maybe some team will give up a first rounder for him, but it sure as heck better not be the Canucks. We have more pressing needs at the moment then more wingers. As I said (and you ignored), I have no issue moving our first rounder, but if we do it had sure better be used to bring in a player at a position we actually need.
Not sure if you noticed, but you have Alex Burrows playing on your first line.


But hey, keep your pick. If it's not you guys, it'll be someone else.

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And he's had tremendous success in the playoffs!!
He hasn't been in the playoffs since pre lock out. He has become a much better player since then.

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Eklund is mean. He is getting my hopes up for something that will never happen.

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The only thing worse than eklund is all the people in this thread saying that there is no way that Antropov will land a 1st rounder when it's pretty probable.

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I expect Burke to be looking for a high end goalie prospect that's near NHL ready or already in the League so if they trade with Vancouver you have to expect that Schneider is the center piece of what they want in return. Where else could they get a goalie of the future? Irving from Calgary?

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im still waiting for big AO to head to Nashville

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Antropov is 28.
And has only reached a 55 point season once.

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And who has produced at a 28 goal, 62 point pace over the last 3 seasons, 185 games in total.
Players better than Antropov.


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he hasn't played in the playoffs since he was 23.

He's playoff stats by age 23 look no worse than, say, Daniel Sedin's
There's once difference -- Daniel Sedin has improved massively since he was 23. Antropov has not.



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No, it's not pushing it in the least.

He'd be the most significant physical presence on any of the Canucks' top-3 lines.
*knock, knock* Sundin, Kesler, and Burrows want me to say hi. Size does not mean physical. See: Taylor Pyatt.


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Not sure if you noticed, but you have Alex Burrows playing on your first line.
Glad you noticed the guy that pretty much cost you the game on Saturday.

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But hey, keep your pick. If it's not you guys, it'll be someone else.
Like Antropov, we know.

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