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Kubina Staying Until At Least The Summer

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02-23-2009, 01:52 AM
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Kubina Staying Until At Least The Summer

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Howar...Summer/3/19564

According to Berger, Kubina and Burke met and Kubina has not provided him with a list of teams and wants to wait it out until the summer.

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02-23-2009, 02:12 AM
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sigh....... So I guess this means Kaberle will change his mind now too maybe.

Kubina keeps screwing this team helping us get points and messing with the Leafs position in the draft.

Today being a perfect example. God damn it!!

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02-23-2009, 02:30 AM
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Unfortunate, but still not a total loss. That's one less defensemen on the market for buyers to pick up. Also, don't forget that he can be traded anywhere this summer without a say in the matter. Once UFA defensemen are signed, he might be a good alternative for the year.

That, or I'd also offer him a 4 year contract extension. #1 defenseman, solid all-around, and would probably be a good continuing mentor for younger defensemen.

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I hate the fact that were one of the few teams that can suck and still not get people to waive their NTC's to jump to a playoff team.

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He'll get a very good return at the draft as well.

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I really don't see there being a significant negative impact on the return for Kubina this summer as opposed to the deadline. There aren't many equivalent defensemen available as UFA's this summer so somebody will need to go the trade route. Besides, there are teams that have greater difficulty attracting UFA's for various reasons and Burke can deal with all 29 teams rather than just 10.
I would be surprised if Kubina returns with Toronto for 09/10. Possibly if the leafs went with two inexperienced goaltenders next season Kubina's defensive zone presence would keep him around.

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02-23-2009, 06:07 AM
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He's on pace for a career high in points, with 33 already on the year, 40 being his career high set last year by him.

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Unfortunate, but still not a total loss. That's one less defensemen on the market for buyers to pick up. Also, don't forget that he can be traded anywhere this summer without a say in the matter. Once UFA defensemen are signed, he might be a good alternative for the year.

That, or I'd also offer him a 4 year contract extension. #1 defenseman, solid all-around, and would probably be a good continuing mentor for younger defensemen.
The Leafs are worse off waiting until the offseason. Kaberle will get some interest in the offseason but I think you get very little interest for Kubina. The Leafs had that opportunity last offseason as well and Kubina is still a Leaf today.

4 year contract extension? A #1 dman? Who are you talking about here? Kubina is not worth an extension nor is he a remotely close to a #1 dman. People throw around the term "#1 dman" much to easily around here. Kubina is slow and inconsistent and is passing his prime as we speak. He can still be useful to a playoff team but his role will not be the same one he holds with the Leafs. There is a reason the Leafs are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, one of them is having Kubina as a "#1 Dman".

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The Leafs are worse off waiting until the offseason. Kaberle will get some interest in the offseason but I think you get very little interest for Kubina. The Leafs had that opportunity last offseason as well and Kubina is still a Leaf today.

4 year contract extension? A #1 dman? Who are you talking about here? Kubina is not worth an extension nor is he a remotely close to a #1 dman. People throw around the term "#1 dman" much to easily around here. Kubina is slow and inconsistent and is passing his prime as we speak. He can still be useful to a playoff team but his role will not be the same one he holds with the Leafs. There is a reason the Leafs are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, one of them is having Kubina as a "#1 Dman".
They decided to keep him last off-season, I don't think they were shopping him. Why do you think he'll have less value this summer? His contract only runs for one more year, and ends right when the cap is likely to drop. It's perfect in that sense.

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Sick. Another year of Kubina for God and a 1st round pick proposals.

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in the summer the leafs can trade him anywhere they want.. why wouldn't kubina do something about it and pick his teams now

he better be gone at the deadline or least one of him or kaberle

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His play has been a lot better recently, almost as if he wants to showcase what he's got for a new team

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Do the Leafs really want Kubina around for the end of the year though? They might win more games, and by extension, get a higher finish (lower lottery pick) .

That could be bad news.

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he can still get a lot at the draft, along with Kaberle

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His play has been a lot better recently, almost as if he wants to showcase what he's got for a new team
funny ain't it? looks like Burke might have privately called him out like he did with Antropov and Toskala, which worked out wonderfully for the leafs. Antropov have regained whatever trade value he might have had before his awful slump. btw, leafs are better off trading him now. we could have had san jose's first rounder (Tyler Ennis) if he didn't block the move

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This reminds me when the Fan590, Don Landry in the morning made a spoof of him and the NTC5, where Kubina was asked to waive his NTC by Richard Peddie in Swiss Chalet, his response....

"Kubina will not waive no trade clause and would like to finish meal in the Chalet Swiss"

I would like to just get rid of him and let Strahlman play in his stead. Getrdone!

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we could have had san jose's first rounder (Tyler Ennis) if he didn't block the move[/QUOTE]

And, what exactly would that give us? My point is that, for what is being offered, I think we are better off keeping him anyway. It is very important to remember what the real value of a 1st (and a low 1st at that) actually is. I've said it before but Cullen's article on the average value of a 1st should be mandatory reading at HF.

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we could have had san jose's first rounder (Tyler Ennis) if he didn't block the move
And, what exactly would that give us? My point is that, for what is being offered, I think we are better off keeping him anyway. It is very important to remember what the real value of a 1st (and a low 1st at that) actually is. I've said it before but Cullen's article on the average value of a 1st should be mandatory reading at HF.[/QUOTE]

I agree i enjoyed reading Cullens article but really is that not common logic. 1st round pick is not always a sure thing! Granted I just want to be rid of his 5 million dollar contract. He should not have gotten more than 4.

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Kubina is not worth an extension nor is he a remotely close to a #1 dman. People throw around the term "#1 dman" much to easily around here.
Partially agree. On most teams he would not be #1, but I'm sure there are a few where he would be. But to say he's not remotely close is going a bit far. I'd say on the average team he'd be the #2 dman.

i would not sign Kubina to an extension...not because he's not good (read above) but because he doesn't really fit into the Leafs plan. If the leafs were currently further into its rebuilding and were a playoff team then I would try to sign him to a contract of 3 years worth around $4 mil per year.


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this time of year, every comment allegedly from a General Manager must be taken with a big grain of salt. Its the "language of the deal"...
Kubina has played very well lately and if anything, his trade value is increasing and at its peak. If/when San Jose or Calgary or Boston or some other Cup contending team presents a GOOD offer to Burke, he can and will share it with Kubina and his agent and it is very possible that a trade can be made. There is a Domino effect, when one trade is made, another contender realizes that they must respond and there are very few quality dmen available.

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why is hockeybuzz a credible source?

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why is hockeybuzz a credible source?
Howard Berger is relatively credible. We'll see how it plays out, but it isn't Eklund related outside of the site.

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Berger is pretty credible, always has been imo... never seen him or remember him spreading any false information before...

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