HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Dallas Stars
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Game 60: vs St. Louis, 2/26

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-25-2009, 03:12 PM
  #26
Captain Awesome
Registered User
 
Captain Awesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Beach, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,994
vCash: 500
I like giving the young guys time, give them time to develop just because this season might turn ugly, and I'm glad that Richards is out now instead of a month from now, then we'd be screwed, be left without that great of a 1st rounder, and get mauled in the playoffs. At least now we have some time to fall if this team doesn't have it, though it's way too early to tell, IMO. It'd make logical sense that our season would go to crap, but maybe there's a chance yet that someone will step up, or get hot.

Captain Awesome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:15 PM
  #27
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games - 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 314 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 46,864
vCash: 1495
More Please...





__________________
"Now when people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Texas. Dallas, Texas." - Mike Modano, March 8th, 2014

Bossier-Shreveport Mudbugs - 1997 to 2011 - WPHL Champions 1998, 1999, 2000 - CHL Champions 2011
Stars99Lobo37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:15 PM
  #28
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
I personally don't like Lehtinen on the top line much just because he hasn't been producing a whole lot
From Razor's blog recapping Games 40-60:

Quote:
Record: They went 12-6-2 with three victories in overtime, two in shootouts.

Location: Played 12 at home, 8 on the road (8-3-1 at AAC, 4-3-1 away)

Scoring Leaders: Ribeiro 19 pts, Ott 17 pts, Lehtinen 16 pts, Eriksson and Richards 14 pts, Niskanen 13 pts, Modano and Neal 11 pts

Goals: Ott 9, Eriksson, Lehtinen, Ribeiro, and Richards 6

Assists: Ribeiro 13, Niskanen 12, Modano and Lehtinen 10
I'll take 16 points in 20 games.

http://blog.dallasstars.com/

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:20 PM
  #29
DaStars99
Purdue Alumnus
 
DaStars99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 13,944
vCash: 1425
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigG44 View Post
From Razor's blog recapping Games 40-60:



I'll take 16 points in 20 games.

http://blog.dallasstars.com/
umm... how'd you get 16 pts in 20 games?
if they won 12 that is 24 pts plus the two otl equals 26pts. I hope it was a slip of the finger pressing 1 instead of 2

DaStars99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:21 PM
  #30
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games - 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 314 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 46,864
vCash: 1495
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigG44 View Post
I'll take 16 points in 20 games.
I'll take whoever can actually produce a point at the moment.

Stars99Lobo37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:47 PM
  #31
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaStars99 View Post
umm... how'd you get 16 pts in 20 games?
if they won 12 that is 24 pts plus the two otl equals 26pts. I hope it was a slip of the finger pressing 1 instead of 2
What?

I'm talking about Jere Lehtinen. He claimed Jere Lehtinen hasn't been producing points.

How'd I get there?

6 goals + 10 assists = 16 points

6 + 10 = 16

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 03:51 PM
  #32
DaStars99
Purdue Alumnus
 
DaStars99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 13,944
vCash: 1425
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigG44 View Post
What?

I'm talking about Jere Lehtinen. He claimed Jere Lehtinen hasn't been producing points.

How'd I get there?

6 goals + 10 assists = 16 points

6 + 10 = 16
whoops my bad, I totally missed that. I can't believe I did that. Oh well that is what I get for multitasking. However I will take 26 points in 20 games too

DaStars99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 06:53 PM
  #33
Captain Awesome
Registered User
 
Captain Awesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Beach, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,994
vCash: 500
According to NHL.com Lehtinen has 1 point in his last 7 games. So you could say 16 in 20 looks good, and of course it is good, but Lehtinen hasn't been producing lately. You can manipulate numbers to look good but 1 point in his last 7 is no good. For the record, he had 2 points in the game before those 7, and 3 points in the game before that. So I'd say Lehtinen has gone pretty cold.

Captain Awesome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 07:37 PM
  #34
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
According to NHL.com Lehtinen has 1 point in his last 7 games. So you could say 16 in 20 looks good, and of course it is good, but Lehtinen hasn't been producing lately. You can manipulate numbers to look good but 1 point in his last 7 is no good. For the record, he had 2 points in the game before those 7, and 3 points in the game before that. So I'd say Lehtinen has gone pretty cold.
I'll take a 20 game sample size over 7 any day of the week. People manipulate statistics but taking smaller and smaller sample sizes. They don't by including a larger sample.

Hey, my stats class is paying off.

Brian Sutherby should be a 40 goal scorer because he scored 4 goals in 8 games recently.

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 07:41 PM
  #35
beardedgraf
Registered User
 
beardedgraf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 706
vCash: 500
The 20 game sample indicates a downward trend

beardedgraf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 07:42 PM
  #36
Captain Awesome
Registered User
 
Captain Awesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Beach, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,994
vCash: 500
That's not what I'm saying at all, recently Lehtinen hasn't done ****, so why put him on the first line when we are so desperately starved for offense?

Captain Awesome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 08:19 PM
  #37
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by beardedgraf View Post
The 20 game sample indicates a downward trend
No, the 20 game trend indicates that Lehtinen is playing at almost a point per game. The 7 game trend indicates that Lehtinen's production has tailed off.

On the other hand, if you look at the team as a whole, I'd bet you'd find that the entire team's production is down over 7 games. If Lehtinen was trending down and another player had a positive trend, it would make since to give the player on a hot streak a look on the first line.

Furthermore, if a shakeup is needed, you'd think you'd look at replacing the player on that line who is having a huge spike in offensive production, Steve Ott. Jere Lehtinen has established his ability to produce with Mike Ribeiro, 79 games for 58 points (22G-36P). Granted, 100% of that time was not with Ribeiro. With Ott, his production could truly be an aberration. Replacing him would be the logical first step based on the information available.

EDIT: In the same stretch of games (6 because of injury), Steve Ott has a goal and an assist.


Last edited by BigG44: 02-25-2009 at 08:24 PM. Reason: Changed Day trend to Game trend
BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 08:27 PM
  #38
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
That's not what I'm saying at all, recently Lehtinen hasn't done ****, so why put him on the first line when we are so desperately starved for offense?
I completely understand what you're saying.

You're calling one player out for offensive production when the entire team has scored 11 goals in 7 games.

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 08:39 PM
  #39
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Last thing on this topic:

Loui Eriksson has 6 points in the last 7 games (2G-4A). Plus, he has established legitimate chemistry with Ribeiro as well.

During practice, he was with Ribeiro and Lehtinen. I thought that was only because Lundqvist and Ott were out, but if you look at what Tippett had done in the past when a player missed practice (used a healthy scratch as a place holder), we could also assume that Ott and Lundqvist will play with Brunnstrom this game. That just sounds horrible though so I don't know.

The problem is Tippett made the comment that he really liked the Swede line a day ago. You would assume that he’d stick with them for a full game.

Getting Eriksson on the top line would make a great deal of sense, but playing Brunnstrom with Lundqvist and Ott would not.

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 08:47 PM
  #40
Captain Awesome
Registered User
 
Captain Awesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Beach, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,994
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigG44 View Post
I completely understand what you're saying.

You're calling one player out for offensive production when the entire team has scored 11 goals in 7 games.
When on the first line and not producing, get someone else on the first line. I'm not really sure what you're defending here, but Jere Lehtinen isn't exactly an offensive dynamo, and he isn't producing. Put someone else there. Eriksson would be pretty appropriate considering that he and Lehtinen are compared a lot in style of play.

Captain Awesome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 09:05 PM
  #41
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
When on the first line and not producing, get someone else on the first line. I'm not really sure what you're defending here, but Jere Lehtinen isn't exactly an offensive dynamo, and he isn't producing. Put someone else there. Eriksson would be pretty appropriate considering that he and Lehtinen are compared a lot in style of play.
I don't feel like typing something that I've already said. Just look a couple posts up.

Just answer this for me, Ribeiro has 3 assists in the last 7 games (2 whole more points than Lehtinen and 1 more than Ott). What line do you want to drop Ribeiro too?

Of the 3 players on that line JERE LEHTINEN and MIKE RIBEIRO have an established history of racking up points together. STEVE OTT is playing above his head. Name one other time that he was playing anywhere close to a point per game. If you believe the line needs shaken up, why would you not remove the player with limited success?

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 09:06 PM
  #42
Modo
Global Moderator
Mo'Benn
 
Modo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Etobicoke
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,669
vCash: 50
I still shake my head every time I see Steve Ott in the top 6. He does NOT belong there!

Modo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 09:11 PM
  #43
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Modo View Post
I still shake my head every time I see Steve Ott in the top 6. He does NOT belong there!
I disagree. He earned that time with hard work. If Tippett has a problem with the production of that line currently, Ott should be the obvious person to lose his position.

Steve Ott is very important to the team. He may just have developed a Miettinen-like offensive touch. Miettinen looked like a world beater for stretches with Ribeiro. He eventually came back to earth. If Ott can bounce around the Top 6 every once in a while going on scoring streaks, fine. At least he was earning this time. Every other time, the minutes just fell to him.

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 10:25 PM
  #44
catters078
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Australia
Country: Australia
Posts: 3,051
vCash: 500
Lines id like to see tomorrow

Ott-Ribeiro-Lehtinen (hatrick from one of those 3 would be nice)
Neal-Modano-Brunstrom
Eriksson-Lundqvist-Conner
barch-Sutherby-Sawada

Also what id like to see tomorrow

Barch Vs Winchester

VS

GO At IT!!





Last edited by catters078: 02-25-2009 at 11:08 PM.
catters078 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 10:41 PM
  #45
Hull Fan
Czech Stop
 
Hull Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Arlington, TX
Country: Albania
Posts: 5,381
vCash: 500
Ugh no Chris Conner por favor.

Neal-Ribiero-Lehtinen
Brunnstrom-Modano-Eriksson
Ott-Sutherby-Sawada
Parrish-Lundqvist-Barch

Neal has really tailed off and might benefit playing alongside Ribiero for a game. He brings a lot of the qualities Morrow does, except he has better hands. Eriksson has to be in the top six. His goal scoring has dried up and is being wasted playing on a lesser line or with a lesser center (looking at you Lundqvist). Conner is a turnover machine. I'd rather see Parish, which is really sad. No one knows what Sawada could do so I wouldn't mind seeing him with a real banging line that gets more than 5 freaking minutes on the ice.

Hull Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-25-2009, 11:17 PM
  #46
BigG44
Registered User
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,903
vCash: 475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hull Fan View Post
Ugh no Chris Conner por favor.

Neal-Ribiero-Lehtinen
Brunnstrom-Modano-Eriksson
Ott-Sutherby-Sawada
Parrish-Lundqvist-Barch

Neal has really tailed off and might benefit playing alongside Ribiero for a game. He brings a lot of the qualities Morrow does, except he has better hands. Eriksson has to be in the top six. His goal scoring has dried up and is being wasted playing on a lesser line or with a lesser center (looking at you Lundqvist). Conner is a turnover machine. I'd rather see Parish, which is really sad. No one knows what Sawada could do so I wouldn't mind seeing him with a real banging line that gets more than 5 freaking minutes on the ice.
I love that 3rd line so much.

Don't think it could happen though. Ott would be replacing Barch on that line meaning Lundqvist and Barch become the core of the 4th line. I truly believe that we're stuck with Conner playing alongside Modano. That means any chance of that line happening rests on Brunnstrom going back to 4th line.

I'm just thinking Tippett wouldn't do it.

If we're talking ideal though, I love it. Just switch Neal and Eriksson. Piqued is right, Neal and Brunnstrom should ideally be on the same line.

BigG44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-26-2009, 12:24 AM
  #47
Hull Fan
Czech Stop
 
Hull Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Arlington, TX
Country: Albania
Posts: 5,381
vCash: 500
I have no problem if Neal or Eriksson switched. Though I'd dearly love to see Brunnstrom and Eriksson play with Richards this next preseason just to see how they'd look.

I fear you're right about Conner and Modano but again by doing this a better player, be it Brunnstrom, Neal, or Eriksson gets moved down for Conner and Ott. What sense does that make for a team struggling offensively?

Again I have no idea about Sawada. I just think now's the time to find out if there's any there, there. Which can't be determined with five minutes alongside Barch. That and the fact that Lundqvist's utter offensive failure has him in my doghouse and imaginary 4th line. Sigh.

Hull Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-26-2009, 07:04 AM
  #48
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games - 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 314 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 46,864
vCash: 1495
Thank you Philadelphia for beating LA last night.

Stars99Lobo37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-26-2009, 10:28 AM
  #49
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games - 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 314 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 46,864
vCash: 1495
GO STARS GO!

Beat Da Bluuuuuuuuues.

Stars99Lobo37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-26-2009, 10:43 AM
  #50
piqued
Global Moderator
shift
 
piqued's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 30,808
vCash: 27750
Here's a random powerplay thought:

Why haven't we tried Ribeiro at the point?

Is there another player on the team more like Zubov?

piqued is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.