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02-25-2009, 06:16 PM
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Burke is really overrating Kaberle.

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I'd expect him to return something similar to what Campbell brought in last deadline. 1st and young roster player.
your name isnt brian burke

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Burke is really overrating Kaberle.
says who? armchair gm?

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1st and Markstrom?

Then the Panthers have at least one top defensemen.

I dunno, not a fan of either team.

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02-25-2009, 06:20 PM
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1st and Markstrom?

Then the Panthers have at least one top defensemen.

I dunno, not a fan of either team.
Markstrom will not be moved.

Stock is high. But so was Mika Noronen's.

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Much respect to Kaberle, he's a solid D, but he's no Pronger.
You are aware that Pronger for Kabs and Steen was a deal but Toronto turned it down. (Pronger was subsequently traded to Anaheim). I am not suggesting that Kaberle is Chris Pronger, but given his very user friendly contract he will command a nice package or he will go nowhere. (imo)

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02-25-2009, 06:22 PM
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Actually, what asking price is reportedly "1st round pick, top prospect and young player (top 4 dm/top6)", i think you are incorrect.
I don't see leafs getting a young top 6 or top 4 guy, unless their potential looks like its near maxed out. So guys like Higgins or Girardi fit. But leafs aren't getting a Lupul valued player (29 goal scorer with potential for much more). I just don't see that.

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While i agree no team will nor should trade their potencial franchise player (Canucks Hodgson, Yotes Turris,..), asking price is top prospect not 5th best prospect so the likes of JVR (actually just because Flyers would be willing to trade him), Voracek or Filatov (Filatov, Voracek, Brassard, ?Mayorov - they have plenty of great prospects so one of them would have to be included) would be in the mix for the trade.
Brassard played too well this year for them to even think about trading him. Filatov is nearly as valuable as Mason to the jackets. I can see Voracek, but you'll have to ask Jackets fan about that. The Jackets happen to have a very deep system, doesn't mean they will follow the Thrasher's bad example. This trade deadline though, options are too limited since Kaberle is only going east. Either hes traded to Jersey, Buffalo or hes staying. IMO.

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And young forward is someone around 20-25 years of age with top 4/top 6 skill and not some 30 year old 3rd line plugs.
IMO its going to be a Carl Clutterbuck/McLeod esque player, but I think we'll see. Those guys aren't as good as top 6 players, but I think Burke value them the same.

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02-25-2009, 06:24 PM
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You are aware that Pronger for Kabs and Steen was a deal but Toronto turned it down. (Pronger was subsequently traded to Anaheim). I am not suggesting that Kaberle is Chris Pronger, but given his very user friendly contract he will command a nice package or he will go nowhere. (imo)
Didnt know that.

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They're 2 different players that fill 2 different roles.
If a team needs a big body to move forwards out from in front of their net then they give that to get pronger.
If a team needs a puck moving d-man to accelerate their offense then they offer that to get Kaberle.
Both players excel at what they do which is why their value is similiar to whichever respected team needs their services.
While Kaberle is one of the top 15 PP specialists, He is also one of the 10 worst even strength Dmen in the league.

Not even in the same Breath those two. But I believe there may be a team desperate enough to acquire thta one skill.

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02-25-2009, 06:26 PM
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says who? armchair gm?
I would actually agree with oiley there. What Burke wants for Kaberle (1st+player+top prospect or whatever it is) is more then what Kaberle is worth imo. But there is a difference between what someone is worth and what someone can get.

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Burke is really overrating Kaberle.
What other single player has been associated in trades for Vinny Lecavalier, Eric Lindros (pre-concussion), Chris Pronger and Jeff Carter? (all four came ever so close to happening)

I don't think he is over-rating him one bit, either he gets what he wants or he doesn't have to trade him.

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02-25-2009, 06:29 PM
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Yes and no.Pronger has pretty much the same skill as Kaberle though his skating isn't as good anymore.On top of that he has dominant physical play.He's got more facets to his game than Kaberle does especially once playoff hockey starts.
He also got an extra first and second round pick, despite Lowe being forced to trade him and his very unfavourable contract. That suggests, to me at least, that his value would normally be higher than the top prospect, good young roster player, and picks he garnered. Given that JFJ balked at including Steen with Kaberle for Pronger, I would think the value is not too far off.

There are no generational talent prospects out there right now, so to balk at trading potential NHL'ers who are unlikely to hit Kaberle's level (Olympic medalist, 4-time all-star, top 10-15 at a position that lacks quality compared to other positions), doesn't seem like a very good idea if you have a limited window of opportunity to win.

There is no risk for the team that takes on Kaberle. They lose out on a few guys who might one day make the same impact that Kaberle does now.

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What other single player has been associated in trades for Vinny Lecavalier, Eric Lindros (pre-concussion), Chris Pronger and Jeff Carter? (all four came ever so close to happening)

I don't think he is over-rating him one bit, either he gets what he wants or he doesn't have to trade him.
None of them actually happened...

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you can keep him

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Even with All that Burke said, some lies, some truth, we should all agree that Kaberle won't be traded for the sake of being traded. If return isn't going to help Leafs rebuild (well enough) or if there is a big enough chance that the return won't work out as it is expected he won't be moved.

If he doesn't get moved now or at draft he'll stay at least for 2 more years helping with the transition with getting pucks to our (new/young) forwards and allowing them to score few more goals than they would otherwise and giving them more confidence in their scoring ability rather than see them turn into unsuccessful grinders.

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People are forgetting Philly was willing to give us Carter and a 1st last year.


I don't understand whay people are trying to make this into a Pronger VS Kaberle thing.


Burke's listed value for Kaberle is not unreasonable. He has no reason to trade him and won't unless someone overpays.

Also his listed value is still lower then what Pronger went for because pronger got two 1st round picks not one

Pronger To Ducks for Smid (Top Prospect) Jofrey Lupal(young roster player) 1st in 07 and 08 and 2nd in 08


This is not what Burke is asking for

Burke wants some thing similar to this but not quite as much.

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you can keep him
Nobody offered him to you.

Have fun losing Mattias Ohlund for nothing.

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How about Pronger to Washington?

Alzner, 1st round pick and Fleischmann.

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I know rangers fans are in love with the guy but i would make the deal because kaberle is a beast

voros, prucha, grachev 1st

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kaberle

Grachev is a massive skilled forward just like burkie likes and on an over ppg pace in juniors, the guy will be a top 6 forward in 2 years. Prucha is the proverbial case for change of scenery, mid 1st, voros is a big body also but we need to clear space to even up salary. Maybe an underpay but i think this is fitting the template of top prospect, 1st, roster player.

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None of them actually happened...
Thanks for pointing that out !!!

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I know rangers fans are in love with the guy but i would make the deal because kaberle is a beast

voros, prucha, grachev 1st

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kaberle

Grachev is a massive skilled forward just like burkie likes and on an over ppg pace in juniors, the guy will be a top 6 forward in 2 years. Prucha is the proverbial case for change of scenery, mid 1st, voros is a big body also but we need to clear space to even up salary. Maybe an underpay but i think this is fitting the template of top prospect, 1st, roster player.
Waive Voros.

Girardi, Grachev, 1st for Kaberle.

OR

Dubinsky, Sanguinetti, 1st for Kaberle.

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He also got an extra first and second round pick, despite Lowe being forced to trade him and his very unfavourable contract. That suggests, to me at least, that his value would normally be higher than the top prospect, good young roster player, and picks he garnered. Given that JFJ balked at including Steen with Kaberle for Pronger, I would think the value is not too far off.

There are no generational talent prospects out there right now, so to balk at trading potential NHL'ers who are unlikely to hit Kaberle's level (Olympic medalist, 4-time all-star, top 10-15 at a position that lacks quality compared to other positions), doesn't seem like a very good idea if you have a limited window of opportunity to win.

There is no risk for the team that takes on Kaberle. They lose out on a few guys who might one day make the same impact that Kaberle does now.
1.) JFJ is a terrible GM. Leaf fans should know this. He should have taken that trade, but hes terrible so he didn't, end of story.
2.) Pronger has a Norris, a Hart and a cup ring. Don't go talking about 4 time all star, its not even close to a Hart/Norris and you know it.
3.) Pronger just came from playing in the cup finals (where he was dominant) which Kaberle has never even sniffed.
4.) Pronger has a very favorable contract.

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being a Kings fan I'd be willing to make an offer!

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Waive Voros.

Girardi, Grachev, 1st for Kaberle.
know what, i'd do it. if torts gets the offense going we can get a good return next year for roszival, getting back some lost assets. kaberle makes rozy redundant, but its just a pain in the balls because redden was supposed to be to us what kaberle is, but instead is playing like an ahl defenseman

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being a Kings fan I'd be willing to make an offer!
His list of 10 teams are all easter conference teams. Sorry maybe on draft day when his NTC is expired.

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