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02-25-2009, 05:39 PM
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Rangers/Leafs

After hearing Burke set the price for Kaberle at a 1st rounder, roster player and top prospect and watching a few Rangers games the last few weeks and thinking they could benefit from a puck moving dman like kaberle what about this..

To NYR
Kaberle
Moore

To TOR
09 1st
Dubinsky
Del Zotto or Sanguinetti


Rangers get a true puck moving dman and powerplay qb, something I think they desperately need in my opinion after watching some of the stiffs they have on the blueline. They also get Moore who can sub in for the loss of Dubinsky for this season, and can contribute to a playoff run and provide some leadership and positivity to the dressing room.

Leafs get a young American for Burke in Dubinsky who will likely end up as a decent 2way 2nd line center, and a young offensive dman that can hopefully eventually fill kaberle's shoes and combine to make a nice pairing with the defensive Schenn in the future, as well as the 1st round pick they covet.

I don't think this quite works with the Cap, so it might need some tweaking..

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02-25-2009, 05:40 PM
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Salary Cap!

Rangers also have no need for more Dmen

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02-25-2009, 05:51 PM
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It won't work with the cap and it's way too much from the Rangers end. The Rangers have too much money tied up in Redden and Rozsival already on defense.

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Kaberle=Dubi+1st
Moore<<<<DelZotto/Sang

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I hope Del Zotto becomes a star, that is like the best hockey name ever.

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02-25-2009, 06:07 PM
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Kaberle>>>Dubi+1st
Moore<<<<DelZotto/Sang
Fixed. Dubinsky is overrated.

You think a .5 PPG player + a potential NHLer has equal value to Kaberle?

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Fixed. Dubinsky is overrated.

You think a .5 PPG player + a potential NHLer has equal value to Kaberle?
If Dubi wasn't 22 years old, I might agree with you....

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I think a case could be made for us to take Roszival in the deal to make it work.

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I think a case could be made for us to take Roszival in the deal to make it work.
Another proposal offered Girardi, that suits me better. I think Roszival is a guy who's pretty important to the Rangers playoff hopes.

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02-25-2009, 07:18 PM
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As a Leaf fan I'd accept, but I don't think Rangers have enough cap...............

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Another proposal offered Girardi, that suits me better. I think Roszival is a guy who's pretty important to the Rangers playoff hopes.
We have no use for Rozsival if we have Kaberle.

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Another proposal offered Girardi, that suits me better. I think Roszival is a guy who's pretty important to the Rangers playoff hopes.
I don't think it'd be a stretch to say every Ranger fan would prefer Rozsival in a deal for Kaberle than Girardi.

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Another proposal offered Girardi, that suits me better. I think Roszival is a guy who's pretty important to the Rangers playoff hopes.
Roszival is included to make the trade remotely possible. It actually clears a little cap space for them. Not much but some.

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02-26-2009, 07:22 AM
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After hearing Burke set the price for Kaberle at a 1st rounder, roster player and top prospect and watching a few Rangers games the last few weeks and thinking they could benefit from a puck moving dman like kaberle what about this..

To NYR
Kaberle
Moore

To TOR
09 1st
Dubinsky
Del Zotto or Sanguinetti


Rangers get a true puck moving dman and powerplay qb, something I think they desperately need in my opinion after watching some of the stiffs they have on the blueline. They also get Moore who can sub in for the loss of Dubinsky for this season, and can contribute to a playoff run and provide some leadership and positivity to the dressing room.

Leafs get a young American for Burke in Dubinsky who will likely end up as a decent 2way 2nd line center, and a young offensive dman that can hopefully eventually fill kaberle's shoes and combine to make a nice pairing with the defensive Schenn in the future, as well as the 1st round pick they covet.

I don't think this quite works with the Cap, so it might need some tweaking..
Exccellent proposal. I'd prefer to keep Moore so i'd substitute Ponikarovsky in there instead of him.

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02-26-2009, 07:31 AM
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Salary Cap!

Rangers also have no need for more Dmen
I'll agree, as much as the Rangers need someone like Kaberle (cause Redden and Rozsival aren't having great years) we'd have to take one of them back for this trade too work...and i don't see us touching either of those 2.

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Originally Posted by aaronm_88 View Post
After hearing Burke set the price for Kaberle at a 1st rounder, roster player and top prospect and watching a few Rangers games the last few weeks and thinking they could benefit from a puck moving dman like kaberle what about this..

To NYR
Kaberle
Moore

To TOR
09 1st
Dubinsky
Del Zotto or Sanguinetti


Rangers get a true puck moving dman and powerplay qb, something I think they desperately need in my opinion after watching some of the stiffs they have on the blueline. They also get Moore who can sub in for the loss of Dubinsky for this season, and can contribute to a playoff run and provide some leadership and positivity to the dressing room.

Leafs get a young American for Burke in Dubinsky who will likely end up as a decent 2way 2nd line center, and a young offensive dman that can hopefully eventually fill kaberle's shoes and combine to make a nice pairing with the defensive Schenn in the future, as well as the 1st round pick they covet.

I don't think this quite works with the Cap, so it might need some tweaking..
Not going to get into a debate as to who is better than who or whatever, I will just say that this deal doesn't make the Rangers better as they are lacking a top line sniper which has been a problem for them all year.

Dubinsky is a solid 2nd line center/winger. If he were to be moved, it should be in a deal that addresses our main weakness.

Kaberle is a sweet player, but he's not what the Rangers lack right now. Well he is, but I can deal with our current defence, our more immediate concern is a top line sniper which Kaberle is not.

Rangers would and should pass.

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02-26-2009, 09:36 AM
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Exccellent proposal. I'd prefer to keep Moore so i'd substitute Ponikarovsky in there instead of him.
How is it an excellent proposal? Oh yeah, you're a leafs fan lol.

This deal wouldn't work because of the cap and even if it did, it's overpayment by the Rangers. I wouldn't give you Dubi for Kaberle straight up, let alone throw in a 1st and a good prospect.

You can debate all you want which is the better player, but a 22 year old power forward (who won't make a lot of money for the next few years) is worth more to the Rangers than a 30 yo PP QB (who will make more than the Rangers can afford under the cap), especially considering we have both Sanguinetti and Del Zotto waiting in the wings.

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How is it an excellent proposal? Oh yeah, you're a leafs fan lol.

This deal wouldn't work because of the cap and even if it did, it's overpayment by the Rangers. I wouldn't give you Dubi for Kaberle straight up, let alone throw in a 1st and a good prospect.

You can debate all you want which is the better player, but a 22 year old power forward (who won't make a lot of money for the next few years) is worth more to the Rangers than a 30 yo PP QB (who will make more than the Rangers can afford under the cap), especially considering we have both Sanguinetti and Del Zotto waiting in the wings.
Umm, hello.....

Carter (of last year) >>>>>>>>>>>> Dubinsky

We were going to get Carter and a 1st for Kabs last year.

No way Dubs even comes close to Carter. Dubs is a great all round player, but doesn't have much in the offense department. He is vastly overrated on these boards.

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The Rangers don't need Kaberle. End. Of. Story.

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The Rangers don't need Kaberle. End. Of. Story.
Of course we need Kaberle. We just don't need him if both Redden and Rozsival's contracts are on the books, too.

Kaberle is among the best PP quarterbacks in the league. We don't have a competent player to fill that role. No surprise our PP is atrocious.

That said, I'm not interested in moving important young players for him.

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The Rangers don't need Kaberle. End. Of. Story.
That's different. But couldn't be further from the truth. You need Kaberle, just not at the expense it would take to get him. You have no PP quaterback. No one to bring up the rush. Roszival and Redden have had terrible years. If they were on their game, than you'd have no need for Kaberle.

Sanguinetti and Del Zotto are years away. No immediate help there.

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That's different. But couldn't be further from the truth. You need Kaberle, just not at the expense it would take to get him. You have no PP quaterback. No one to bring up the rush. Roszival and Redden have had terrible years. If they were on their game, than you'd have no need for Kaberle.

Sanguinetti and Del Zotto are years away. No immediate help there.
Sanguinetti is probably going to be on the team next year, and Del Zotto probably the year after. Not years away.

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Sanguinetti is probably going to be on the team next year, and Del Zotto probably the year after. Not years away.
Well that's still not helping you now.

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Look at the mess we are in. You think just adding Kaberle is going to make that much of a difference? Nothing is helping us now so there is no point in trading a bunch of young players who should all have long and productive careers. Sorry but this doesn't work at all.

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Well that's still not helping you now.
You're right. So what? We should sacrifice the future so we can make the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round?

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