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02-26-2009, 06:32 PM
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I don't know why Anaheim wants Bergeron. The western conf. play physical hockey and Bergeron is only one hit away from suffering season/career ending. If Boston want Pronger then prepare to lose at least Kessel or Krejci or Lucic. If I remember correctly Anaheim lost Lupul, Smid, one 1st round, one conditional 1st round (which was met), and either 2/3 rounder.
Krejci is so superior to Kessel and Lucic, I don't see why he's lumped in with them.... And I don't see why Bergeron is not, when he's the best player of the 4.

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02-26-2009, 06:35 PM
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I don't know why Anaheim wants Bergeron. The western conf. play physical hockey and Bergeron is only one hit away from suffering season/career ending. If Boston want Pronger then prepare to lose at least Kessel or Krejci or Lucic. If I remember correctly Anaheim lost Lupul, Smid, one 1st round, one conditional 1st round (which was met), and either 2/3 rounder to get Pronger.
they wont move krejci, lucic, or kessel. They are the up and coming stars of the team, and if chiarelli moves any of them it would be kessel, and that is a longshot. I feel like Anaheim would take a roster player(to fill the kunitz spot) two A/B prospects( colboune, hamill, lashoff, etc) and a first rounder.

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they wont move krejci, lucic, or kessel. They are the up and coming stars of the team, and if chiarelli moves any of them it would be kessel, and that is a longshot. I feel like Anaheim would take a roster player(to fill the kunitz spot) two A/B prospects( colboune, hamill, lashoff, etc) and a first rounder.
If I was Boston's GM, I will try to get Pronger service even if I have to overpay. With Chara and Pronger on defense, it's almost impossible to get to Thomas. Just the thought of facing these two towers make me have a headache.

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02-26-2009, 06:46 PM
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but look at what happened when the kessel-savard-lucic line was reunited when ryder came back to reunite with krejci and wheeler.
all of a sudden they dominate the panthers, and are one upping Anahiem right now.
Not to mention when the lines were split we went 1-5-2 ( or something similar)
so Bruins should say a no to trading any player on our top two lines.

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but look at what happened when the kessel-savard-lucic line was reunited when ryder came back to reunite with krejci and wheeler.
all of a sudden they dominate the panthers, and are one upping Anahiem right now.
Not to mention when the lines were split we went 1-5-2 ( or something similar)
so Bruins should say a no to trading any player on our top two lines.
Your team is very good now but they will not be able to face the top team from the West: San Jose, Detroit. Getting Pronger will help. Without losing one player from the top 6, you may not get Pronger.

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Your team is very good now but they will not be able to face the top team from the West: San Jose, Detroit. Getting Pronger will help. Without losing one player from the top 6, you may not get Pronger.
then we take leopold. Pronger is not worth screwing up our team. As great a tandem chara/ pronger could be, its not worth messing up our entire offense.

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If I was Boston's GM, I will try to get Pronger service even if I have to overpay. With Chara and Pronger on defense, it's almost impossible to get to Thomas. Just the thought of facing these two towers make me have a headache.
I agree.

Old pilots' saying: When you see blue sky, you go for it.

Bonafide contenders go for it. In the old NHL, you could count on a good team staying good for years. If the last three post-lockout seasons have taugh us anything, when you can go for it, go for it. For unless you are Detroit, your time at the very top is fleeting (see: Carolina, Edmonton, Ottawa, Anaheim, Pittsburgh). Assuming otherwise is misguided in the day and age of the cap.

Add Pronger to NJD, Boston, Washington or Philly (especially) or the Habs, and that team goes right to the top of the line in the East heading into the playoffs, IMO.

I think each of these teams have enough young assets to consider, should they choose to. As such, "if" Pronger is on the market, I'd expect a major bidding war.

Of course there are no gurantees, and of course it will cost significantly in the way of futures.

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I agree.

Add Pronger to NJD, Boston, Washington or Philly (especially) or the Habs, and that team goes right to the top of the line in the East heading into the playoffs, IMO.

I think each of these teams have enough young assets to consider, should they choose to. As such, "if" Pronger is on the market, I'd expect a major bidding war.

Of course there are no gurantees, and of course it will cost significantly in the way of futures.
Only NJD and Boston have the chance to get out of the East if they acquire Pronger. The Habs does not have enough grit to go far. The Caps have weakness on both defense and goalie. The Flyers still do not have elite goaltending.

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Only NJD and Boston have the chance to get out of the East if they acquire Pronger. The Habs does not have enough grit to go far. The Caps have weakness on both defense and goalie. The Flyers still do not have elite goaltending.
Your opinion, which I respect. Mine differs, based on my personal observation of watching countless postseasons.

I consider Boston and NJD the favorites in the East. All three other teams mentioned should not be dicounted out of hand, however.

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the rumour is for Kessel. Posted at The Drive for Twenty Five and NESN.

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Pronger for Kess I'd do.

Boston may have some trouble scoring goals, but that D would be disgusting for at least 2 years.

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nope. the way we a crushing Ana right now I wouldn't trade anyone.

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*********** also posted that Boston may be interested in moving Kessel if they can land a Kaberle or Pronger.


Kessel, Lashoff, 1st for Pronger?

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nope. the way we a crushing Ana right now I wouldn't trade anyone.
Anaheim is a non playoff team from the West. If you can crush San Jose/Detroit then it will be a different story.

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*********** also posted that Boston may be interested in moving Kessel if they can land a Kaberle or Pronger.


Kessel, Lashoff, 1st for Pronger?
This can only get you Kaberle.

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well be beat detriot 4-1 when we played them. ya we lost to SJ, but we also didnt have ryder in two complete the top to lines. I'd like to see a rematch now.

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This can only get you Kaberle.
You'd be very hardpressed to find any Bruins fans willing to give Kessel straight up for Kaberle. Adding Lashoff and a 1st makes me laugh. Very, very hard.

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You'd be very hardpressed to find any Bruins fans willing to give Kessel straight up for Kaberle. Adding Lashoff and a 1st makes me laugh. Very, very hard.
I agree completely. that is laughable from a boston perspective.

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This can only get you Kaberle.

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You'd be very hardpressed to find any Bruins fans willing to give Kessel straight up for Kaberle. Adding Lashoff and a 1st makes me laugh. Very, very hard.
We will see. Pronger will probably be traded and we will see what kind of a return Anaheim will get. I doubt that your package will return Pronger. Brian Burke has said that Kaberle will only be traded if the other team offer: roster player (Kessel may be a very good roster player) + top prospect (I don't think Lashoff is your top prospect) + 1st round pick (your 1st round pick is more like a high 2nd round pick). This package is very similar to what the Leafs is looking for.

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We will see. Pronger will probably be traded and we will see what kind of a return Anaheim will get. I doubt that your package will return Pronger. Brian Burke has said that Kaberle will only be traded if the other team offer: roster player (Kessel may be a very good roster player) + top prospect (I don't think Lashoff is your top prospect) + 1st round pick (your 1st round pick is more like a high 2nd round pick). This package is very similar to what the Leafs is looking for.
That package may not get Pronger, but it sure as hell will be able to get more than Kaberle.

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That package may not get Pronger, but it sure as hell will be able to get more than Kaberle.
You may be right. It probably will be Kaberle + some average prospect or low draft pick (3/4 rounder).

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I think the competition to get Pronger's services will drive up his value. No one in the east will want another team to get him because he'll whatever balance there is right now.

And keep in mind, he's signed through next season, so there is no rush to trade him. Murray has the opportunity to wait 1 full year to unload him, so he can afford to be patient.

Niedermayer is another issue because no one knows if he'll return next year and even if he does, will he re-sign with the ducks. However, I think management feels loyalty to not trade him.

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nope. the way we a crushing Ana right now I wouldn't trade anyone.
So if you were losing tonight, you would consider making a trade?

Unwise logic, to be kind.

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If the Bs were to move Kessel, they'd be trading a major (core) piece of their success this season. No way that happens.

Their offer would be some combination of top picks, Hamill, Colborne, Hunswick, Lashoff, pehaps Stuart or Wheeler. Not saying they should or would move those players but that is what it would take to get an elite dman of Pronger's pedigree.


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I agree.

Old pilots' saying: When you see blue sky, you go for it.

Bonafide contenders go for it. In the old NHL, you could count on a good team staying good for years. If the last three post-lockout seasons have taugh us anything, when you can go for it, go for it. For unless you are Detroit, your time at the very top is fleeting (see: Carolina, Edmonton, Ottawa, Anaheim, Pittsburgh). Assuming otherwise is misguided in the day and age of the cap.

Add Pronger to NJD, Boston, Washington or Philly (especially) or the Habs, and that team goes right to the top of the line in the East heading into the playoffs, IMO.

I think each of these teams have enough young assets to consider, should they choose to. As such, "if" Pronger is on the market, I'd expect a major bidding war.

Of course there are no gurantees, and of course it will cost significantly in the way of futures.
I agree. I can also see a bidding war beginning with teams in the East that just want to keep Pronger away from Boston. The Ducks can get a very good return for Pronger. Maybe more than the Ducks gave up to get him from the Oilers.

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