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02-26-2009, 11:41 AM
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Marc Denis - is he done as an NHLer?

I know this isn't particularly relevant, but the thoughts about moving Halak or Price promted me to wonder about this guy.

Has anyone seen him play in Hamilton?

The kid probably faced more rubber in his first 5 NHL seasons than any goalie in history! In 2002-2003 he played 77 games and faced about 2300 shots (an average of about 31 per game). So I guess practice doesn't make perfect?

Any chance he could work his way back into becoming a decent back-up?

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02-26-2009, 11:44 AM
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I know this isn't particularly relevant, but the thoughts about moving Halak or Price promted me to wonder about this guy.

Has anyone seen him play in Hamilton?

The kid probably faced more rubber in his first 5 NHL seasons than any goalie in history! In 2002-2003 he played 77 games and faced about 2300 shots (an average of about 31 per game). So I guess practice doesn't make perfect?

Any chance he could work his way back into becoming a decent back-up?
He seems doing fine in the AHL right now. There is lots of good goalies out there. Even a guy like Legace in in the AHL.

Yan Danis should had been kept in the organization.

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that is such a MISLEADING thread title !!!!

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02-26-2009, 11:47 AM
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PJ Stock was saying yesterday (for what it is worth) that Denis is the best goalie in the AHL and that Denis was told he would have a chance in NHL this year.

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02-26-2009, 12:00 PM
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To me, guys like him and Aebischer just didn't play the way their past statistical high seasons would indicate they should be capable of. I don't know if anything happened to them, but they both seemed to have fundamental technical shortcomings. They don't seem to move or anticipate well in the net. Yet they've both had statistically impressive seasons as #1 NHL goalies.

Well, I guess you can find your Dafoes or Theodores or Jim Careys and many more who have had successful strings of various lengths with subsequent sudden drops. Maybe something happens, maybe it only really helps to highlight an underlying generalization that could be made about just how fine the separation is between even the better goalies in the business and the next 100 or so in the business. We saw guys like Dan Ellis and Yann Danis pass through and look pretty mediocre even in the AHL. They go somewhere else, they are in the NHL. It may usually just be the nature of the beast. With the right team and the right roll, the difference between an AHL goalie and an NHL starter might not be that huge.

In which case, I guess so long as Denis is part of any such general trend, and hasn't had some fundamental setback in his ability, maybe he still could play somewhere in the NHL. Aebischer had some solid games and stretches for us too. It wouldn't shock me if Denis could do the same with us or elsewhere... it's just that longterm, if you have to rely on that guy, well... you ultimately end up looking for something better. Gerber is probably in that group too. He has never looked like a reliable NHL starter to me, yet teams have put him in that role.

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02-26-2009, 12:05 PM
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I know many won't agree with me but I think Denis could make for a decent back-up.

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02-26-2009, 12:40 PM
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The kid probably faced more rubber in his first 5 NHL seasons than any goalie in history
I thought you were gonna say "than a hooker on payday". Way to keep it classy.

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I thought you were gonna say "than a hooker on payday". Way to keep it classy.
Way not to

I just don't see him being called up here and I am not sure the Habs would trade him as to keep things rolling in the minors to give the young guys as much playoff time as possible. He could help the dogs get decently far in the post season.

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02-26-2009, 12:59 PM
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I know many won't agree with me but I think Denis could make for a decent back-up.
It's worked well for guys like Lalime and Conklin, so if he is having fun and winning again it could help him get back in the NHL. He is at the point in his career he knows he is a 2nd string now, but funnier things have happened....look at Roloston.

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Aebischer 2.0

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This has been a reclamation year for Denis. He has to prove he is worth an NHL contract for next year. He knew that coming in. I honestly believe if Price would have carried the ball, Halak would have been traded and Denis would have moved up. It was not to be. If he keeps up his play, I'm sure an NHL team will sign him next year.

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He seems doing fine in the AHL right now. There is lots of good goalies out there. Even a guy like Legace in in the AHL.

Yan Danis should had been kept in the organization.
Says you, who I'm guessing didn't see him play much in Hamilton. He lost his starting job each year, after a very good rookie season, things went downhill for him and he never got back on track. He is the definition of someone that needs a change of scene, the kid was great at the NCAA level, but just couldn't get it together in Hamilton.

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PJ Stock was saying yesterday (for what it is worth) that Denis is the best goalie in the AHL and that Denis was told he would have a chance in NHL this year.
Goes to show what Stock knows. Denis at the start of the season may have been one of the best goalies in the league (my money would be Schnieder of the Moose perhaps) but then Denis turned to **** and struggled, then after coming back from his nhl call up, he's back to playing well but hardly the best goalie in the league.

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Aebischer 2.0
I would gladly welcome Aebischer right now as a veteran presence with one of our young goalie.

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I would gladly welcome Aebischer right now as a veteran presence with one of our young goalie.
You should punch yourself in the face.

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I would gladly welcome Aebischer right now as a veteran presence with one of our young goalie.
I hope you're ****ing joking.

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Aebischer was garbage back when these boards thought he could take Huets starter role away from him. Don't need him or want him back.

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Denis...move B****, get out the way!

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Aebischer 2.0
Nonsense as usual.

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Says you, who I'm guessing didn't see him play much in Hamilton. He lost his starting job each year, after a very good rookie season, things went downhill for him and he never got back on track. He is the definition of someone that needs a change of scene, the kid was great at the NCAA level, but just couldn't get it together in Hamilton.

I know it hurts you to say that, Dan. After the excitement of his signing and how well he played initially a few of us were looking forward to a steady progression.

I wonder how much it hurt him playing (or not) on the Dogs, especially in the latter half of last season, when they were just terrible. Anyway, great to see him catch a break and I hope he can take advantage of it.

Interesting note, now that I've looked it up, is that his save percentage this year with Bridgeport (.924) and with the Islanders (.924) is exactly the same as his his first full year in Hamilton.


As for Denis, I put it down to the natural order of things:

Good goaltender, good year, good team = superstar

Good goaltender, mediocre year, good team = star

Good goaltender, mediocre year, mediocre team = railroad


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I have a Marc Denis on my ball hockey team...true story

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I have a Marc Denis on my ball hockey team...true story
Gimme a minute, I'll go buy you a Canadian Tire medal.

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Is he tall, balding, friendly and a little inconsistent?

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I know it hurts you to say that, Dan. After the excitement of his signing and how well he played initially a few of us were looking forward to a steady progression.

I wonder how much it hurt him playing (or not) on the Dogs, especially in the latter half of last season, when they were just terrible. Anyway, great to see him catch a break and I hope he can take advantage of it.
Yea it sucks, I saw him at Brown and he was great on an average team (that's done nothing since he left) plus being a local kid, I had hoped he would really excell and it was looking that way when he first came on board, getting a SO in his AHL and NHL games. People that I know that know him, speak very highly of what a great guy he is, so I'm actaully glad to see him doing well somewhere else.

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Yan Danis should had been kept in the organization.
Are you serious with this stuff?

This is the third thread this evening where you've said something so ridiculous I'm left shaking my head.

Where's the thread where you said this was a big mistake by Montreal right after he signed in New York?

Link me please....

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I wouldn't entrust him with anything but a back-up role.

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I wouldn't entrust him with anything but a back-up role.
Far back.

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