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02-28-2009, 09:24 PM
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How insane would Chara-Pronger be?
NOT a D coupling I want to face in the final minutes of a game that is for sure.

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02-28-2009, 09:54 PM
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No. Of course Pronger is better than Pietro, most likely better even in his current old age than Pietro will ever be. Still this team realistically isnt in position to do something major right now, so selling out a big piece of their future to bolster their chances the next couple years at best which arent that much anyway makes no sense.

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With what Anahiem seems to be looking for I wouldn't be interested. I hear Perrons name come up. If we trade Perron we will live to regret it. I read somewhere that were barely scratching Perrons surface. That is correct. I forget which poster said it but I completly agree with that assesment.

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Pronger for 1 year plus a few games is not worth giving up potential star players,-especially, as the team WITH Pronger, would still not be ready to win The Stanley Cup next season. Their first season they will be ready to win it will be 2010-11. So, if they add Pronger THEN, as a UFA (after McKee's (and, possibly Brewer's contracts are gone)), that would be a lot more effective and painless. I want to hold onto Perron, Pietrangelo, Oshie, Berglund, Backes and Eller, to see what kind of players they can become. One playoff on a weak playoff team, and one season, when The Blues aren't ready isn't worth giving up a potential 15 year Blues' star.

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03-01-2009, 01:20 PM
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We have a new leadership of youth. We don't need to upset the new breed of Blues. We need to cultivate players that are brought up as Blues only players. Groomed from draftpicks to live and sacrifice for our Blues. We are building that now.

Petro is the future and Pronger is the past, leave it that way. Unless Anaheim wants Brewer.


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03-01-2009, 01:22 PM
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How about Perron stays and Murray leaves after next year. Or is the situation too volatile to last that long? (it's sad this question even needs to be asked)


Also well said.

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03-01-2009, 02:13 PM
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I put it over on the trade board's thread...and it didn't go over too well with Blues fans, but I really think it would be enough to get Pronger back to STL, and not give up key roster players or blue-chip prospects:

1st 2009, 1st 2010, Polak, Wagner/Woywitka/Junland, Lehtera/Sonne/Palushaj

Polak is upgraded to Pronger, and none of the 6 other guys mentioned are guaranteed to be in the Blues' long-term plans. 2 firsts hurts, but we've got prospect depth and a staff with the talent of finding talent beyond the 1st round that it's not going to hamstring the club long-term. I don't think it's too much to give for a guy that instantly becomes our #1 D-man for the next season and a half, while EJ recovers and transitions into that role.

I really don't think Anaheim would settle for anything less...but if it's still such a 'gross overpayment' I supposed it could be made a 1st and a 2nd rather than 2 firsts...

If it doesn't go down, that's fine too...but that's the most I'd be comfortable giving up. And it's really about the only package I could come up with that protects Petro, Eller, Perron, Oshie, Berglund, Allen, Cole and the rest of the key-youngsters.

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03-01-2009, 03:19 PM
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I put it over on the trade board's thread...and it didn't go over too well with Blues fans, but I really think it would be enough to get Pronger back to STL, and not give up key roster players or blue-chip prospects:

1st 2009, 1st 2010, Polak, Wagner/Woywitka/Junland, Lehtera/Sonne/Palushaj

Polak is upgraded to Pronger, and none of the 6 other guys mentioned are guaranteed to be in the Blues' long-term plans. 2 firsts hurts, but we've got prospect depth and a staff with the talent of finding talent beyond the 1st round that it's not going to hamstring the club long-term. I don't think it's too much to give for a guy that instantly becomes our #1 D-man for the next season and a half, while EJ recovers and transitions into that role.

I really don't think Anaheim would settle for anything less...but if it's still such a 'gross overpayment' I supposed it could be made a 1st and a 2nd rather than 2 firsts...

If it doesn't go down, that's fine too...but that's the most I'd be comfortable giving up. And it's really about the only package I could come up with that protects Petro, Eller, Perron, Oshie, Berglund, Allen, Cole and the rest of the key-youngsters.
I could live with your proposal more than any other one I've seen. If you can make it happen, go ahead and pull the trigger. I will nominate you for assistant GM. They are getting 2 first rounders, a good young defenseman and a good prospect. We are taking on payroll and getting 1+ year of usage from an effective, but aging player.

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03-01-2009, 04:09 PM
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That's still too much to give up for Prongs, imo. The only redeeming factor is he's basically guaranteed to sign a new multi-year deal here.

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That's still too much to give up for Prongs, imo. The only redeeming factor is he's basically guaranteed to sign a new multi-year deal here.
Agreed, this is a draft I want to be a part of in the first round. I don't think our 2009 first is going anywhere...Atleast I hope it isn't.

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The Blues wouldn’t even consider making such a move if they didn’t feel they could re-sign Pronger to a three or four year extension.
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I don't think Pietro for Pronger either, but I think its unwise to think he'll be there to be signed in UFA in a year. I think he will be traded and signed to an extension before it gets to that point.

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No way..........

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No I would like to keep Pie. I'm worried that JD might overpay to get Pronger back. This management team has always looked for ways to get the casual fan back, trading for Pronger would definitely look attractive to them in that aspect.

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03-02-2009, 01:01 PM
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I put it over on the trade board's thread...and it didn't go over too well with Blues fans, but I really think it would be enough to get Pronger back to STL, and not give up key roster players or blue-chip prospects:

1st 2009, 1st 2010, Polak, Wagner/Woywitka/Junland, Lehtera/Sonne/Palushaj

Polak is upgraded to Pronger, and none of the 6 other guys mentioned are guaranteed to be in the Blues' long-term plans. 2 firsts hurts, but we've got prospect depth and a staff with the talent of finding talent beyond the 1st round that it's not going to hamstring the club long-term. I don't think it's too much to give for a guy that instantly becomes our #1 D-man for the next season and a half, while EJ recovers and transitions into that role.

I really don't think Anaheim would settle for anything less...but if it's still such a 'gross overpayment' I supposed it could be made a 1st and a 2nd rather than 2 firsts...

If it doesn't go down, that's fine too...but that's the most I'd be comfortable giving up. And it's really about the only package I could come up with that protects Petro, Eller, Perron, Oshie, Berglund, Allen, Cole and the rest of the key-youngsters.
Polak can't go. Put Petro or Perron in his place, but
I still don't see it happening.
Wagner/Woywitka are so much cannon fodder.
Junland is not yet anything but a maybe, same with the rest.
Burke will get better offers from other teams.
Plus, I'm totally against giving away two first round draft choices.

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Polak can't go. Put Petro or Perron in his place, but
I still don't see it happening.
Wagner/Woywitka are so much cannon fodder.
Junland is not yet anything but a maybe, same with the rest.
Burke will get better offers from other teams.
Plus, I'm totally against giving away two first round draft choices.
He will, but not for Pronger

And I'll be honest, I've barely seen Pietrangelo ever play. But I wouldn't do this, the Blues have a huge youth movement going on, and barring injury I think Pietrangelo will be a stud for years to come. There is no guarantee Pronger will sign an extension, and even if he does, he is simply too old. IMO the Blues are not close enough to the cup, or desperate enough, to warrant trading away the future for an aging vet - especially one they may only have for a year or so. The 1st rounder is also probably a bad idea because of how deep this draft is said to be.

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What about something like: Perron/Sonne/1st/2nd?

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2. Chris Pronger to St. Louis for David Perron, Brett Sonne, a 2009 1st round selection, and a 2010 1st round selection (conditional depending on whether the Blues make the post-season)

Pronger (and his wife) return home to St. Louis. The Blues are in contention this season and want to reward their fans by showing they are committed to winning soon. Pronger will sign an extension with St. Louis next season and finish his career as a Blue. In return, the Ducks get two great offensive prospects in Perron and Sonne, and two very good picks. Anaheim wants Alex Pietrangelo but the Blues balk. Imagine a pairing of Pronger and Erik Johnson for the next two or three seasons! Not to mention depth with the likes of Roman Polak, Barret Jackman, and the aforementioned Pietrangelo. There are better fits for Pronger (Boston being one), but this deal makes so much sense for reasons above and beyond just the on ice product.
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Perron, Sonne and this year's 1st? Maybe - the sticking point is whether I'd give this year's 1st.

Perron, Sonne, this year's 1st and next year's 1st? No way in hell.

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What about something like: Perron/Sonne/1st/2nd?



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Change Perron to Pietrangelo and then we'll talk.

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Change Perron to Pietrangelo and then we'll talk.
Absolutely not, i'd give up Perron over Pietrangelo every day of the week.

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Perron, Sonne and this year's 1st? Maybe - the sticking point is whether I'd give this year's 1st.

Perron, Sonne, this year's 1st and next year's 1st? No way in hell.
Conditional of course. And it could very well be too much, these were just some ideas I bounced around. I tried to add significant value (Perron and Sonne) that are not integral to the Blues (Oshie, Pietrangelo, Eller).

I was thinking about including McClemment, who the Ducks could use to replace some of their UFA forwards.

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Change Perron to Pietrangelo and then we'll talk.
What?!

I don't want to part with Perron either, but I think of the first tier prospects he's the one I would first trade away.

But we'd have to be seeing someone unique that makes the Blues better in a fundamental way in order to move David. I think a guy like Pronger is probably like that. I'd prefer to get him some other way.

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Is there a reason that Ian Cole has not been named yet? What about Sonne, Cole, Wagner (or one of the 4 guys around his age and quality that we have) a first in 09 and a 2nd in 2010?

I would much rather part with cole. I would have to cry myself to sleep if Perron was traded...

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Maybe an Ian Schultz or someone else upfront as well...

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What?!

I don't want to part with Perron either, but I think of the first tier prospects he's the one I would first trade away.

But we'd have to be seeing someone unique that makes the Blues better in a fundamental way in order to move David. I think a guy like Pronger is probably like that. I'd prefer to get him some other way.
We have a lot more depth on D than we do LW. I'd much rather keep Perron and move Pietrangelo for Pronger as Pronger would fill his spot.

Strickland said that if the Blues don't feel they could resign him, they wouldn't even bother.

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