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02-26-2009, 06:41 PM
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Washington - Toronto

To Toronto
2nd Rd Pick
John Carlson

To Washington
5th Round Pick
Nik Antropov

Nik is not worth a 1st and a good prospect. Carlson could eventually replace Kaberle but he has a much better shot.

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02-26-2009, 06:44 PM
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To Toronto
2nd Rd Pick
John Carlson

To Washington
5th Round Pick
Nik Antropov

Nik is not worth a 1st and a good prospect. Carlson could eventually replace Kaberle but he has a much better shot.
I don't see that happening. But we'll see what Caps fans have to say.

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02-26-2009, 06:47 PM
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That would be highway robbery for the leafs.

Bouchard
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Antropov
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That is what I'd be willing to give up for Antropov if caps had more then enough cap space.

Antropov is not worth a 1st and a good prospect.

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02-26-2009, 06:48 PM
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Why would we trade a 5th? Leafs aren't paying draft picks

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To Toronto
2nd Rd Pick
John Carlson

To Washington
5th Round Pick
Nik Antropov

Nik is not worth a 1st and a good prospect. Carlson could eventually replace Kaberle but he has a much better shot.
Where do I sign? I would love to have Carlson in the Leafs organization.

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02-26-2009, 06:49 PM
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I hereby call for a halt of all Toronto - Washington proposals. All in favor?

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No just no. A lot of Caps fans don't want to trade Carlson for Pronger a huge need, let alone for Antropov. I wouldn't trade them straight up.

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Dreadful.

What makes this particularly funny is that you don't think Carlson is enough to land Antropov; that the Caps need to upgrade the Leaf's pick.

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02-26-2009, 06:50 PM
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Why would we trade a 5th? Leafs aren't paying draft picks
Because you are getting a very good prospect and a 2nd rd pick. I highly doubt the Caps deal Carlson for someone like Antropov.

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02-26-2009, 06:54 PM
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I hereby call for a halt of all Toronto - Washington proposals. All in favor?
Aye.

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02-26-2009, 06:59 PM
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I hereby call for a halt of all Toronto - Washington proposals. All in favor?
I second it, dumb just dumb.

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02-26-2009, 07:24 PM
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Value is there but there is no point proposing deals to Washigton fans as they seem to think all their prospects are Wayne Greztzy if they play foward or Bobby Orr if they are defensmen.

I saw a proposal today where all the caps fan said they would not give up John Carlson and a 1st round pick for CHRIS PRONGER.

My message to cap fans: Enjoy a lifetime of watching a good team that can never get over the hump if you wont make trades to get the impact players that put you over the top.

Pronger instantly makes you the favorite to come out of the east IMO. Antropov not so much but if you want to add depth to your scoring and dont want to tinker with your line up then what do you offer? GM's dont give players away.

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To Toronto
2nd Rd Pick
John Carlson

To Washington
5th Round Pick
Nik Antropov

Nik is not worth a 1st and a good prospect. Carlson could eventually replace Kaberle but he has a much better shot.

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02-26-2009, 07:25 PM
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I'd do it in a heartbeat ..........thought I doubt Washington will but if not this deal who knows cause they haven't been in a position to buy in quite some time.
Carlson's having a real good year in the O and for sure his stock has only increased since he was drafted.......but hey the same is easily true of Tangradi

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02-26-2009, 07:29 PM
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Good Lord. Stop

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Antropov on the Capitals right now would be getting 3rd line minutes most nights, and a healthy scratch others.

That's not saying he's a bad player per say, that's saying there is literally no room for him on the forward ranks.
That's the first reason this doesn't work.

The second reason is that there isn't any cap space for him right now.

The third is that the Capitals are at the 50 contract limit, so a player playing professionally right now has to go back the other way.

The fourth reason it doesn't work is that the Capitals get FLEECED in this trade. No way we're giving up Carlson for a guy to play on our third line.



I agree with the no more Caps-Toronto trade proposals. We know everyone loves our prospect pool, but Toronto doesn't have a ton that we're looking for right now.

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02-26-2009, 07:52 PM
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We don't need scoring depth, we need a vet. defensmen which none off the trade proposals leaf fans put forward offer. We don't need anything TO has to offer so just forget it and try drafting your own prospects and stop dreaming about getting other teams in pipe dream proposals.

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02-26-2009, 07:56 PM
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Value is there but there is no point proposing deals to Washigton fans as they seem to think all their prospects are Wayne Greztzy if they play foward or Bobby Orr if they are defensmen.

I saw a proposal today where all the caps fan said they would not give up John Carlson and a 1st round pick for CHRIS PRONGER.

My message to cap fans: Enjoy a lifetime of watching a good team that can never get over the hump if you wont make trades to get the impact players that put you over the top.

Pronger instantly makes you the favorite to come out of the east IMO. Antropov not so much but if you want to add depth to your scoring and dont want to tinker with your line up then what do you offer? GM's dont give players away.
As a Caps fan, I agree with you. We should absolutely trade Carlson for Pronger. Carlson + whatever it takes.

However, I would NEVER trade Carlson for Antropov. Good lord, that's one sided.

Why don't you trade us Schenn for Brooks Laich and Tomas Fleishmann?

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02-26-2009, 08:45 PM
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At least make a proposal involving Kaberle or Kubina instead of another forward (which the Caps don't need).

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02-26-2009, 09:32 PM
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First of all, lets get serious here. Carlson is not quite a Schenn. and Laich and Fleishman are no where near Antropov. Making your attempt at sarcasm terrible.

Secondly in my original quote i even said Antropov does not put the Caps over the top so no point trading a prospect.

Fact is though the value is there in this trade, it makes no sense for the caps but the if Antrpov gets traded i will guarentee it is at least for a teams 4th best prospect (Carlson) and a second round pick.
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As a Caps fan, I agree with you. We should absolutely trade Carlson for Pronger. Carlson + whatever it takes.

However, I would NEVER trade Carlson for Antropov. Good lord, that's one sided.

Why don't you trade us Schenn for Brooks Laich and Tomas Fleishmann?

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Antropov on the Capitals right now would be getting 3rd line minutes most nights, and a healthy scratch others.

That's not saying he's a bad player per say, that's saying there is literally no room for him on the forward ranks.
That's the first reason this doesn't work.

The second reason is that there isn't any cap space for him right now.

The third is that the Capitals are at the 50 contract limit, so a player playing professionally right now has to go back the other way.

The fourth reason it doesn't work is that the Capitals get FLEECED in this trade. No way we're giving up Carlson for a guy to play on our third line.



I agree with the no more Caps-Toronto trade proposals. We know everyone loves our prospect pool, but Toronto doesn't have a ton that we're looking for right now.
Not saying that the trade is good, but Antropov would be getting 2nd line minutes on the Caps. Antropov > Laich, Fleschmann, Kozlov, Nylander, Fedorov. He has 9 more points this season than Laich, 14 more than Fleschmann and Kozlov, etc.

Edit: and he definitely would NOT be a healthy scratch. I really don't know why you'd think that.

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02-26-2009, 10:11 PM
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forget the pick upgrade. Carlson for Ant works great for me. Although Wash may want a dman instead? (seems they arent that bad off at forward, but i dont really follo them much outside of Ovie)

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02-26-2009, 11:41 PM
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Antropov is great in 7 season he has managed more then 20 goals twice and this season he will go over 45 points for an amazing 3rd time

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Not saying that the trade is good, but Antropov would be getting 2nd line minutes on the Caps. Antropov > Laich, Fleschmann, Kozlov, Nylander, Fedorov. He has 9 more points this season than Laich, 14 more than Fleschmann and Kozlov, etc.

Edit: and he definitely would NOT be a healthy scratch. I really don't know why you'd think that.
You do realize that Laich is 4 years younger than Antropov, better defensively, and Antropov has only 1 more 20 goal season than Laich?

I take Laich every time over Antropov.

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Value is there but there is no point proposing deals to Washigton fans as they seem to think all their prospects are Wayne Greztzy if they play foward or Bobby Orr if they are defensmen.

I saw a proposal today where all the caps fan said they would not give up John Carlson and a 1st round pick for CHRIS PRONGER.

My message to cap fans: Enjoy a lifetime of watching a good team that can never get over the hump if you wont make trades to get the impact players that put you over the top.

Pronger instantly makes you the favorite to come out of the east IMO. Antropov not so much but if you want to add depth to your scoring and dont want to tinker with your line up then what do you offer? GM's dont give players away.
When you learn to spell, your poor attempts at humor might be better recieved.


As for the proposal. Carlson isn't going anywhere for anything less than a top line RW or a #1 defender. And yes...a few Caps fans don't want to give up Carlson, even for Pronger. The more rational ones understand that Carlson would probably be gone in a Pronger deal.

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