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02-01-2012, 07:06 PM
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Red Army dressed 5 D and 10 F, what the hell? Injuries and call-ups?
still won though

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Loko players born 1995: D Nikita Čerepanov 0+1, F Alexander Mokšancev, F Ilja Korenev both 1+0


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Oh, the U18 camp, forgot about it. Impressive win.

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Omskie Jastraby ensured play-off spot
F Nikita Sošnikov (´93) hattrick
95 guys Šackij (1+0), and Ilja Ivanov (0+1), Pavel Medvedev (0+1)


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Riga just can't play in the 3rd. Such a crappy last period with MVD. I'm happy that they still got 3 points.

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Riga just can't play in the 3rd. Such a crappy last period with MVD. I'm happy that they still got 3 points.
I am curious who will make play-off from this division. I would say Yunost and Vlci are out. Vlci has best players in HC LEV, but these kids will play against Kapitan and MVD, so they can earn pts. HK Riga, Dinamo Shinnik and Lions have equal chance to make it.

btw, what do you think? what 2 teams will relegate? I hope it will be Sibir Snipers and Ladya - they have bad attendance and I like Vlci and Kapitan

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02-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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MHL attendance this season. Dinamo Shinnik is best, Bars (one of best team) is 30th of 32 clubs!
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELE...1&SECTION_ID=1

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btw, what do you think? what 2 teams will relegate? I hope it will be Sibir Snipers and Ladya - they have bad attendance and I like Vlci and Kapitan
Looks like you would hate my opinion.

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02-03-2012, 05:25 PM
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whoever relegates.....I am not sure all this relegation business is beneficial for the league and the young players.

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Kapitan plays strong in the second half of the season, if they will continue that way, then they'll stay in 12/13.
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whoever relegates.....I am not sure all this relegation business is beneficial for the league and the young players.
Why not?

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born 95: F Konstantin Okulov 0+1

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MHK Chimik Voskresensk will be in play-off
F Alexander Fomin (´90) from Yunost with hattrick
D Chenkel (´95) from Yunost assisted, his 1st MHL point.

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Unbelievable, Red Army dressed even less skaters for the game vs Vlci: 5 D + 9 F. Won the game 5:2. They play their next match in Riga

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Unbelievable, Red Army dressed even less skaters for the game vs Vlci: 5 D + 9 F. Won the game 5:2. They play their next match in Riga
It was an equal match, Vlci dressed 6D+8F plus back-up was forward (starter Hruska is injured, 3rd goalie Marek was in Russia with LEV). Best players of Vlci will play tonight against MVD, they are back from LEV´s trip

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whoever relegates.....I am not sure all this relegation business is beneficial for the league and the young players.
I don't see any benefit to anyone in relegation. Relegated teams play against lesser competition, and teams always play at the level of their competition. Teams that move up as a result of relegations are usually candidates for relegation by the next season. Nobody seems to gain from relegation. I would personally like to see more hockey interest and development in the Novosibirsk region, but I doubt it would be helped by playing lesser competition.

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I don't see any benefit to anyone in relegation. Relegated teams play against lesser competition, and teams always play at the level of their competition. Teams that move up as a result of relegations are usually candidates for relegation by the next season. Nobody seems to gain from relegation. I would personally like to see more hockey interest and development in the Novosibirsk region, but I doubt it would be helped by playing lesser competition.
yes, but there's more to it, if a team is at risk of relegating, they will keep the 20-21 year olds on the team who are not much talented but will help the team do better due to maturity factor and take away the spots of 17-18 y.o..

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Vlci vs MVD

Kuzneckie Medvedi won over Olympia, which will have trouble to stay in MHL A.

F´s Ježek, Mráz, Matai, Sekáč, Šaršok, Novotný played for Tatranski Vlci. Novotny played 1st MHL match. All of them have played a few games in KHL.

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I would agree that relegation is not a good idea, however in the case of MHL where they want to improve MHL B quality, it might work. The relegated teams will provide quiet a challenge for MHL B teams, in return making them better. As Efimov said, they are not planning on keeping this format around until they have enough teams and quality to create 2, 3 MHL A leagues.

MHL B will take much longer to develop if they only play each other...

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I would agree that relegation is not a good idea, however in the case of MHL where they want to improve MHL B quality, it might work. The relegated teams will provide quiet a challenge for MHL B teams, in return making them better. As Efimov said, they are not planning on keeping this format around until they have enough teams and quality to create 2, 3 MHL A leagues.

MHL B will take much longer to develop if they only play each other...
Well MHL-B is a Полу-фабрикат, if we had a some-what functioning hockey federation, especially on regional level, they would fulfill the void for MHL-B teams with other tournaments, instead they just пилят government subsidies. The main flaw of relegation and in my opinion it is huge - that MHL-B teams will pick up over-agers from MHL-A and else-where to propagate to MHL-A (look at Berdsk, Vilnus, Perm) and teams on the bottom of MHL-A will keep/pick up over-agers to stay a float. All that will be taking away from the learning process for young kids who actually have potential to achieve something in hockey, rather than 20-21 year-olds who are managing to stay afloat due to physical advantages. It's HUGE flaw.

Yes, there are teams in the A that don't pay enough attention to junior hockey, but they will fall off in time and be replaced by the ones that do. I am a big anti-relegation voter on this one. As soono as ( and realistically hoping ever) junior teams will make real profit from developing players, teams like Ladya, Snipers and etc will fall off the map into the oblivion of B or change their ways)


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All of you have good argument for (non)-relegation. Nobody mentioned this one problem - you know how was MHL A created. If you sent application earlier, you are in "A". I speak especially about last summer. Why should Kapitan/Vlci/Yugra/Sneznie Barsy Astana play A-divison FOREVER? Is their developing programm so much better than in Perm or another clubs?

IMO it is good to have relegation. I prefer something like swedish Allsvenskan not this promotion/relegation rules which MHL adopted.

Not all MHL B teams have ambition to be promoted. A few of them have, so why do we want to prevent them to develop?

If I am right, promoted MHL B has to fullfill financial rules (increase budget) to play MHL A.

Why should we keep in MHL A teams which are not interesting in youth? Is not better to give a chance another teams from MHL B?

cska78 is right about over-agers

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Why should we keep in MHL A teams which are not interesting in youth? Is not better to give a chance another teams from MHL B?
It seemed like you got what CSKA said, but then you wrote that ^ Teams that aren't interested in youth are the ones going for the promotion in MHL B and are safe from relegation MHL. So teams fielding young and inexperienced prospects suffer because of their aim to develop these kids.

Anyway if time comes for Sibir to defend their place in the MHL, there a quite a few players in the system to send and stay clear of relegation. Though Kapitan in such scanario looks properly ****ed.

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you are right in some point.

Look at Loko´s results since december when they gave chance their 95´guys. It is not like they are crap now.

Look at Red Army, bunch of 95´s guys - do they have problem with relegation?

Look at Irbis Kazan of MHL B, so many 95 guys and team is 3rd in division. Their goal is not to promote because they are Bars here.

Yes, over-agers (from KHL, VHL) can help teams to save MHL A in theory. Sibir has played last few weeks with guys from KHL and it does not help. I would limit this "help" from KHL/VHL for play-off/play-out. Sibir has 4 MHL-eligible players in KHL, 3D and 1F. Avto has 5 of them (4F). Both clubs are in same division. Vityaz have also bunch of MHL players in KHL, it is bad news for Kapitan. Btw, Vlci played against MVD yesterday, they have 6 F from KHL I believe - it does not help. It is not like you get player from KHL and you are winning everything

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All of you have good argument for (non)-relegation. Nobody mentioned this one problem - you know how was MHL A created. If you sent application earlier, you are in "A". I speak especially about last summer. Why should Kapitan/Vlci/Yugra/Sneznie Barsy Astana play A-divison FOREVER? Is their developing programm so much better than in Perm or another clubs?

IMO it is good to have relegation. I prefer something like swedish Allsvenskan not this promotion/relegation rules which MHL adopted.

Not all MHL B teams have ambition to be promoted. A few of them have, so why do we want to prevent them to develop?

If I am right, promoted MHL B has to fullfill financial rules (increase budget) to play MHL A.

Why should we keep in MHL A teams which are not interesting in youth? Is not better to give a chance another teams from MHL B?

cska78 is right about over-agers
it's like you didn't read the last paragraph of my post, where I clearly stated what's going to happen in time.
on the other hand if relegation process is a very temp thing to complete the round up of MHL A and will disappear in 2-3 years I am ok with it.

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he is right in almost everything he had said.

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