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03-12-2004, 09:29 AM
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To All Canadians Out There!

Please check out this article which was posted on ESPN regarding the NHL and "Canadian" hockey in general. There are some very disturbing and upsetting remarks made about Canada and the mentality when it comes to the game. I'm submitting an email to Mr. Kelley voicing my displeasure and I urge you do the same please:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...jim&id=1757143

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03-12-2004, 09:33 AM
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I am a Canadian and played hockey most of my life. I cannot agree more. This is why I believe that the NHL need to legislate 0 tolerance for hits to the head - from a fist, high stick, elbow or shoulder. That 1 rule alone would clean up the game dramatically.

0 tolerance to hits to the head.

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Didn't Derian hatcher do a dirty hit on Roenick a few years back? I think what Kelley is saying seems a bit stilted. It seems more of a North American element of Hockey, not just Canadian.

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Didn't Derian hatcher do a dirty hit on Roenick a few years back? I think what Kelley is saying seems a bit stilted. It seems more of a North American element of Hockey, not just Canadian.
not when you compare the brand of hockey played in Canadian Junior (especially the WHL) and NCAA.

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not when you compare the brand of hockey played in Canadian Junior (especially the WHL) and NCAA.
How about comparing apples to apples, like the NCAA vs CIAU and not the WHL.

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Didn't Derian hatcher do a dirty hit on Roenick a few years back? I think what Kelley is saying seems a bit stilted. It seems more of a North American element of Hockey, not just Canadian.

Uh huh...I think J.R, Doug Weight, and Keith Tkachuck (sp?) hight have something to say about this...

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Please check out this article which was posted on ESPN regarding the NHL and "Canadian" hockey in general. There are some very disturbing and upsetting remarks made about Canada and the mentality when it comes to the game. I'm submitting an email to Mr. Kelley voicing my displeasure and I urge you do the same please:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...jim&id=1757143
Why did you also post this thread in the lounge? There would be more replies if we just had one thread.

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more people will see it now! many people dont go in the lounge...

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Didn't Derian hatcher do a dirty hit on Roenick a few years back?
Mwah.. dirty is a big word. Normal hit, he only raised his elbows a tad. No damage done..

Seriously, all Derian did was the same JR has done during his entire carreer. It was a good payback hit, dirty players need to be treated like that.

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I heard Kelly making this argument a couple days ago on the radio and Mike Robitaille, former Buffalo Sabre and a Canadian citizen, agreed with his points.

Also I don't think he's blaming soley Canada, cause there are dirty players from other countries, but just saying that hockey in Canada is everywhere and is ingrained in almost every Canadian when they grow up or should they play. It's a mentality. Where as in say the USA, hockey isn't the cultural or popular sport it is in Canada.

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How about comparing apples to apples, like the NCAA vs CIAU and not the WHL.
Exactly.

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The truth hurts, I have watched Junior hockey @ the Tier 2 level all year and the stupidity that is allowed to the point where I didn't even want to attend anymore. Sure I love to watch a good fight, but these kids are fighting for no reason. they fight for the sake of fighting hoping that Don Cherry is in the crowd and he will mention their heroics on Coaches Corner. As far as Major Junior hockey, it's an absolute watered down pile of crap, the scouting is a joke, all they scout is big and zero talent. Give me NCAA game anyday over that pile of crap in the CHL.

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How about comparing apples to apples, like the NCAA vs CIAU and not the WHL.
when it comes to quality and competitive level of hockey I would compare the USHL and CIAU, not NCAA (certainly at the bigger schools).

CHL and NCAA are true comparisons because they both compete for the best players in North America at that age.

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The truth hurts, I have watched Junior hockey @ the Tier 2 level all year and the stupidity that is allowed to the point where I didn't even want to attend anymore. Sure I love to watch a good fight, but these kids are fighting for no reason. they fight for the sake of fighting hoping that Don Cherry is in the crowd and he will mention their heroics on Coaches Corner. As far as Major Junior hockey, it's an absolute watered down pile of crap, the scouting is a joke, all they scout is big and zero talent. Give me NCAA game anyday over that pile of crap in the CHL.
The big is better mentality comes from this neandrathal mentality to the game. It is why guys like Steve Sullivan, Doug Gilmour and Steve Thomas get overlooked. There are dozens of guys like them every year who get discouraged from playing the game, but would contribute more than the those prospects out there who scouts can't think of anything else good to say about him other than he is "big."

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Please check out this article which was posted on ESPN regarding the NHL and "Canadian" hockey in general. There are some very disturbing and upsetting remarks made about Canada and the mentality when it comes to the game. I'm submitting an email to Mr. Kelley voicing my displeasure and I urge you do the same please:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...jim&id=1757143

im an american and i fully agree with you. mr. kelley is a dimwit. its not only these ugly hits that are hurting the marketability of the sport its jackasses like this guy who decide they dont like hockey just right off the bat. in general people who arent fans of hockey have never been fans of hockey in the first place. they refuse to even try to understand the sport. i cant stand it when i hear someone say "im not watching that sport because all it is is fighting and mean bad people" yes i actually heard someone yesterday say that hockey was "evil"
this is just a thought. in general do people who are diehard hockey fans like other sports even nearly as much (baseball, basketball, football) and people who are diehard fans of these other sports do they like hockey at all? im willing to bet that there are far less people in the second category.

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Mwah.. dirty is a big word. Normal hit, he only raised his elbows a tad. No damage done..

Seriously, all Derian did was the same JR has done during his entire carreer. It was a good payback hit, dirty players need to be treated like that.
Normal hit? A normal hit is your feet not leaving the ice. Hatcher left the ice and smashed JR with his elbow into the glass. If it wasn't dirty, he wouldn't have gotten suspended for 7 games. Oh, I didn't realize that breaking your jaw counts as no damage done. JR isn't a dirty player either.

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im an american and i fully agree with you. mr. kelley is a dimwit. its not only these ugly hits that are hurting the marketability of the sport its jackasses like this guy who decide they dont like hockey just right off the bat. in general people who arent fans of hockey have never been fans of hockey in the first place. they refuse to even try to understand the sport. i cant stand it when i hear someone say "im not watching that sport because all it is is fighting and mean bad people" yes i actually heard someone yesterday say that hockey was "evil"
this is just a thought. in general do people who are diehard hockey fans like other sports even nearly as much (baseball, basketball, football) and people who are diehard fans of these other sports do they like hockey at all? im willing to bet that there are far less people in the second category.
You will find that many people like myself have been fans of the game for close to 30 years, played it for 25 years, watch more than 100 games per year on TV, maybe a dozen in person, plus junior and minor games regularly will disagree with you. And we are not in the minority either.

The game is turning away many young athletes into other sports like baseball, basketball, etc. because their parents are concerned for their child's health. My nephew is a great little athlete living in Detroit and he is a perfect example of this - as much as he loves hockey more than the other sports he is being channelled into baseball.

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Normal hit? A normal hit is your feet not leaving the ice. Hatcher left the ice and smashed JR with his elbow into the glass. If it wasn't dirty, he wouldn't have gotten suspended for 7 games. Oh, I didn't realize that breaking your jaw counts as no damage done. JR isn't a dirty player either.
I guess you missed "seriously" at the start of my 2nd sentence.. It was sarcasm, maybe it was missing as much as its on your sentence of "JR isn't a dirty player either."

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I guess some people should pick a kinder, gentler sport to watch.. like knitting.

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What's worse - North American players settling disputes with their fists or Europeans using their sticks to hurt?

Bertuzzi instances happen about once every 3000-4000 games in the NHL. I'm not saying it should ever happen, however, in a highly emotional game with contact legal and players getting up to speeds of around 60KPH, hitting one another, ugly instances are going to happen once in awhile. People have to remember that most ugly instances aren't pre-mediated although Bertuzzi's was.

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Please check out this article which was posted on ESPN regarding the NHL and "Canadian" hockey in general. There are some very disturbing and upsetting remarks made about Canada and the mentality when it comes to the game. I'm submitting an email to Mr. Kelley voicing my displeasure and I urge you do the same please:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...jim&id=1757143
Wha's upsetting, the fact that he's telling the truth? Let's stop putting our heads in the sand, Mr. Kelley is not way off base.

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I hate to say it but he might have a point (depending on how you look at it).

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Wha's upsetting, the fact that he's telling the truth? Let's stop putting our heads in the sand, Mr. Kelley is not way off base.
I'm not saying he's way off base but if you're going to write an article like this, at least if you're a journalist, you should at least consider other markets, or in this case, sports.

We do not teach kids to do what Bertuzzi has done to Moore and we do not breed clones of Tie Domi or Marty McSorley. Yes, we do instill a sense of standing up for ones self and ones teammates, but we are not taught to hunt people down and intentionally hurt them. Fights are a part of hockey and always have been and every player that steps onto the ice knows this and understands that there is a chance of getting injured or partaking in a fight. However, as in all sports, there are a few individuals who can take things too far and let their emotions get the best of them, ala Bertuzzi(NHL), Bill Romanawski(NFL), Rasheed Wallace(NBA), and Carl Everett(MBL).

If you break down just about any sport you will find examples of events and/or individuals who were disliked by their opponents but perhaps loved by their teammates. They are individuals who, at times, lose control over their emotions and go too far with their reactions. It's not always an intentional hit. I do feel that Bertuzzi is sincere in his apologies and I feel that if he could,he would take back the hit in order to prevent the injury to Moore. I do feel extremely sorry for Moore and hope that he can make a successful return to hockey. It was an unfortunate incident but not one which exists only in the NHL. Remember Bobby Knight!

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I totally agree with the article. Canada encourages violence way too much in the sport. Just look back at the Summit Series of '72, when Bobby "complete moron" Clarke hacked the Soviet's best player (Kharlamov) out of the tournament, and was branded a national hero! Cheap shots are not suppose to be part of the game, but they just are. But it's not only a Canadian thing; look at Ulf Samuelsson!

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im an american and i fully agree with you. mr. kelley is a dimwit. its not only these ugly hits that are hurting the marketability of the sport its jackasses like this guy who decide they dont like hockey just right off the bat. in general people who arent fans of hockey have never been fans of hockey in the first place. they refuse to even try to understand the sport. i cant stand it when i hear someone say "im not watching that sport because all it is is fighting and mean bad people" yes i actually heard someone yesterday say that hockey was "evil"
this is just a thought. in general do people who are diehard hockey fans like other sports even nearly as much (baseball, basketball, football) and people who are diehard fans of these other sports do they like hockey at all? im willing to bet that there are far less people in the second category.
It seems events like the Bertuzzi one serve to justify non-fans from attempting to like the game. I think most of these non-fans wouldn't watch hockey regardless of the violence because they didn't grow up with the sport. Here in NC, the Canes have a few die-hard fans, but most people don't understand the game and (as you can see from the attendance figures) don't attend even though the Canes historically have been pretty passive. My neighbors don't know hockey at all, but they heard about the Bertuzzi incident and ask me about it. They wouldn't go to a game regardless. It seems most of these folks don't like hockey in the first place, and use these few brutal events as an excuse.

DOn't know if I made a point or just rambled. Sorry. My point was that I feel that most of the complaints about violence come from the non-hockey sector and that these critics wouldn't watch hockey regardless.

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