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Flames Top 20 prospects, Spring 2009

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it appears HF missed the boat on the Flames prospects once again...

the Flames themselves have said Puustinen is no longer Flames property... Ryder has left the organization for the 2nd time in 2 years... he is no longer a decent prospect in the slightest... nice to see the research has paid off

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My only real gripe is with Greg Nemisz...how is he not at least a 7.5 C, if not an 8.0 C?

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Backlund has been boosted to an 8.5C from a 8.0C

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Ryan Wilson?

I think its crazy that Ryan Wilson is not in the top 20!
Also think Brodie should be higher....

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Nice to see a new article but...this is a pretty poor job.

Specific points:
- Until HF consistently applies the rating system what is the point of it? Phoenix prospects are given out 8s like candy and Flames prospects are never given 8s (Backlund aside). Why isn't Leland Irving, who has the upside of a good #1 in the NHL an 8? What exactly has he done, in the midst of a strong rookie pro season to warrant a 7? Why isn't Greg Nemisz who has having a huge year in the OHL only a 7?
- What the heck is Juuso Puustinen doing anywhere this list?
- Why is Kris Chucko in the midst of a breakout AHL campaign ranked lower than a guy who has now quit hockey twice?
- For that matter how is Matt Pelech #16 below the likes of Puustinen, Ryder, and Aaron Marvin?
- Where is Ryan Wilson?

I suspect these points will all be dismissed as just whining - but they are valid criticisms. In particular the letter/number grades drive me up the wall - why have them if different writers apply them in totally different ways? It renders them completely useless.

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02-28-2009, 02:58 PM
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Wow. No love for Matt Pelech. Seriously 16th? I don't understand that one at all.

Don't like Irving at 5. He is top 3 for sure. Definetly above Wahl and Aulie. Have to have Wilson in the top 20 for sure. Puustinen and Ryder have no future with the flames so don't know why they are still listed in the top 20.

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My only real gripe is with Greg Nemisz...how is he not at least a 7.5 C, if not an 8.0 C?
I agree. Nemisz should be at least a 8.0C.
Brodie should be much higher to.

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I agree. Nemisz should be at least a 8.0C.
Brodie should be much higher to.
Just wondering why you guys think that? I probably have him in the 9 spot and actually maybe even lower. As far as defencemen go I'd probably have Negrin, Pelech and Aulie ahead of Brodie at this point. Why Pelech is so low is really confusing to me.

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My attempt... let the bashing begin!

1. Mikael Backlund - C (Kelowna Rockets) - 8.0B
2. Leland Irving - G (Quad City Flames) - 8.0C
3. Greg Nemisz - RW (Windsor Spitfires) - 7.5C
4. John Negrin - D (Swift Current Broncos) - 7.0B
5. Keith Aulie - D (Brandon Wheat Kings) - 7.0C
6. Mitch Wahl - C (Spokane Chiefs) - 6.5B
7. T.J Brodie - D (Saginaw Spirit) - 6.5C
8. Matt Keetley - G (Las Vegas Wranglers) - 6.5C
9. Aaron Marvin - C (St. Cloud State) - 6.0C
10. Matt Pelech - D (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
11. Kris Chucko - LW (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
12. Kyle Greentree - LW (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
13. John Armstrong - C (Quad City Flames) - 5.5C
14. Kevin Lalande - G (Quad City Flames) - 5.5C
15. Brett Sutter - C (Quad City Flames) - 5.0B
16. Lance Bouma - C (Vancouver Giants) - 5.0C
17. David Van der Gulik - RW (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C
18. Ryan Wilson - D (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C
19. Gord Baldwin - D (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C

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Usually there are 20 names on a Top 20 list.

I prefer the original one where the author at least could count to 20.

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My attempt... let the bashing begin!

1. Mikael Backlund - C (Kelowna Rockets) - 8.0B
2. Leland Irving - G (Quad City Flames) - 8.0C
3. Greg Nemisz - RW (Windsor Spitfires) - 7.5C
4. John Negrin - D (Swift Current Broncos) - 7.0B
5. Keith Aulie - D (Brandon Wheat Kings) - 7.0C
6. Mitch Wahl - C (Spokane Chiefs) - 6.5B
7. T.J Brodie - D (Saginaw Spirit) - 6.5C
8. Matt Keetley - G (Las Vegas Wranglers) - 6.5C
9. Aaron Marvin - C (St. Cloud State) - 6.0C
10. Matt Pelech - D (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
11. Kris Chucko - LW (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
12. Kyle Greentree - LW (Quad City Flames) - 6.0C
13. John Armstrong - C (Quad City Flames) - 5.5C
14. Kevin Lalande - G (Quad City Flames) - 5.5C
15. Brett Sutter - C (Quad City Flames) - 5.0B
16. Lance Bouma - C (Vancouver Giants) - 5.0C
17. David Van der Gulik - RW (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C
18. Ryan Wilson - D (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C
19. Gord Baldwin - D (Quad City Flames) - 5.0C
From what i saw this year, Flames have good players in minors leagues. Baclund's playing well with Kelowna & Sweden Team, Aulie played also a good junior tournament with Canada and GreenTree, Sutter & VanDerGulik've surprise me with the Flames.

I just want to watch some action of Nemisz, Irving and Negrin.

This list it's ok, but some players can jump up (Greentree & VanDerGulik)

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02-28-2009, 09:02 PM
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Greentree is 3rd in the A in goals scored, Lundmark is 8th in points (last time i looked).

Seriously? Greentree is listed below Chucko, RYDER and Puustinen.

I dont want to be a dick here, but pull your heads out of your bottoms...

Jeebus, what a joke.

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Greentree is 3rd in the A in goals scored, Lundmark is 8th in points (last time i looked).

Seriously? Greentree is listed below Chucko, RYDER and Puustinen.

I dont want to be a dick here, but pull your heads out of your bottoms...

Jeebus, what a joke.
I agree that Puustinen and Ryder need to be moved to other notables at best, having them in the top twenty is ridiculous.

Another thing that bothered me was where it stated that Irving is falling back to the pack amongst Flame goalie prospects. How is that true at all? He just stole Keetley's job and forced him to the ECHL to get starts, he is clearly not falling back to the pack.

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I agree that Puustinen and Ryder need to be moved to other notables at best, having them in the top twenty is ridiculous.

Another thing that bothered me was where it stated that Irving is falling back to the pack amongst Flame goalie prospects. How is that true at all? He just stole Keetley's job and forced him to the ECHL to get starts, he is clearly not falling back to the pack.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Here's the exact quote.

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His lead on the other Flames prospects in net is dwindling.
Seriously HF? Just brutal. Irving has probably done the opposite and gained more value this season. He's having a very good year in the AHL while Keetley has definetly struggled and is now in the ECHL to find his game.

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The first thing that caught my eye was the author:
The article was written by a Brad Gardner and not by Scott Mitchell who introduced himself as the new Flames' writer.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=Flames+writer


May somebody of the hf-staff expand on this? What happened to Scott? If I recall correctly, he has yet to publish his first article about the Flames. And who is Brad Gardner?

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Nice to see a new article but...this is a pretty poor job.

Specific points:
- Until HF consistently applies the rating system what is the point of it? Phoenix prospects are given out 8s like candy and Flames prospects are never given 8s (Backlund aside). Why isn't Leland Irving, who has the upside of a good #1 in the NHL an 8? What exactly has he done, in the midst of a strong rookie pro season to warrant a 7? Why isn't Greg Nemisz who has having a huge year in the OHL only a 7?
- What the heck is Juuso Puustinen doing anywhere this list?
- Why is Kris Chucko in the midst of a breakout AHL campaign ranked lower than a guy who has now quit hockey twice?
- For that matter how is Matt Pelech #16 below the likes of Puustinen, Ryder, and Aaron Marvin?
- Where is Ryan Wilson?

I suspect these points will all be dismissed as just whining - but they are valid criticisms. In particular the letter/number grades drive me up the wall - why have them if different writers apply them in totally different ways? It renders them completely useless.
i agreed the writer missed the boat on this one...may be an Oilers fan

but i disagree that Leland or Nemisz is an 8. I think 8 and above should be reserved for future stars and neither will probably be.

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The first thing that caught my eye was the author:
The article was written by a Brad Gardner and not by Scott Mitchell who introduced himself as the new Flames' writer.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=Flames+writer


May somebody of the hf-staff expand on this? What happened to Scott? If I recall correctly, he has yet to publish his first article about the Flames. And who is Brad Gardner?
We all know from Scott himself that he has a plethora of articles written but they are in the cue waiting for publication. Patience please. I have a world of faith in Scott.

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The first thing that caught my eye was the author:
The article was written by a Brad Gardner and not by Scott Mitchell who introduced himself as the new Flames' writer.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=Flames+writer


May somebody of the hf-staff expand on this? What happened to Scott? If I recall correctly, he has yet to publish his first article about the Flames. And who is Brad Gardner?
there is also a spot to apply to be the flames new writer

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i agreed the writer missed the boat on this one...may be an Oilers fan

but i disagree that Leland or Nemisz is an 8. I think 8 and above should be reserved for future stars and neither will probably be.
That's what their letter grades are for. Irving has the potential to be a good starter in the league. So make him an 8.0C like most the other writers do.

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i agreed the writer missed the boat on this one...may be an Oilers fan

but i disagree that Leland or Nemisz is an 8. I think 8 and above should be reserved for future stars and neither will probably be.
Have you not seen the rankings and what they mean?

8- First line goaltender,No.1 goaltender, 2nd d man
players with definite skill, and have all star potential. Elias, Tkachuk, sean burke, Kolzig

I think both of those guys could be that.

C- May reach potential, could drop 2 rankings.

So 6 is- 3rd line Forward, Backup Goalie
Kris draper, Stephan yelle, manny legace, jussi markannen

I definitely think nemisz and irving could be 8.0's.

7-second line forward, journeyman no.1
andrew cassels,arnott, roloson, hackett

They both have more potential than that.

and this is off topic, but they consider a number one d man to be a 9? Also irked at the hockey news did an online article on number 1 d men trying to find it, saying there are only 8 number one d men in the league, and neither Phaneuf or Regehr are mentioned! There are maybe 8 "star" d men in the NHL, but a number 1 dmen does not have to be that norris candidate consistent all star imo. thoughts???

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Who cares about the ratings?

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Who cares about the ratings?
Apparently not you

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Brad Gardner rating 1F

what a pile of crap!

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Apparently not you
LOL nice catch.

For one, they are likely just made up by some random fan who loves his own opinions so much he volunteers to write the article.

For two, the NHL isn't a video game where the player's rating means something.

Just rate them good or eriksson. Keep it simplistic.

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