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02-28-2009, 10:13 PM
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Habs continuously getting outshot a concern?

First of all, I realize that stats aren't everything and don't tell the story of the game. However that's the whole point of this thread, I can't understand why the Habs are continuously getting out shot each game. Are these mainly perimeter shots or are a lot of them good scoring chances? Here are some of the stats from the last few games that I quickly threw together. In our last 11 games we've out shot our opponent only once (Edmonton) and lost 7-2 in the process which is rather ironic.

Don't our goalies already have enough pressure without having to face 48 shots like Halak did tonight against San Jose?


Shots For

San Jose 48
Montreal 21

Philadelphia 38
Montreal 36

Vancouver 34
Montreal 16

Ottawa 47
Montreal 32

Pittsburgh 28
Montreal 27

Washington 35
Montreal 33

Vancouver 34
Montreal 27

Colorado 48
Montreal 22

Edmonton 27
Montreal 38

Calgary 41
Montreal 24

Toronto 41
Montreal 33


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02-28-2009, 10:16 PM
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The more shots, the better to keep the goalie hot. Otherwise, they get cold.



And it's not the quantity, it's the quality!

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Record when Outshooting Opponent:
13 wins
10 losses
4 OTL

Record when Outshot:
18 wins
11 losses
3 OTL

Record when Shots even:
3 wins
1 losses
0 OTL

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02-28-2009, 10:18 PM
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It's gotta stop.

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02-28-2009, 10:18 PM
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That's why we could use another D-Man by deadline not named Kaberle.

Something is wrong with Komi & I'm worried he could go on the IL. We should wait until off season to try to get Bouwmeester, so we don't sell the farm. But if it's at possible to get Pronger or a Jovo-cop, then Bob should pull the trigger.

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02-28-2009, 10:18 PM
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The more shots, the better to keep the goalie hot. Otherwise, they get cold.



And it's not the quantity, it's the quality!
Yeah I realize that, Halak even said in the post game interview that he was getting pretty tired in the third period. Makes sense since he just played last night but it can only be compounded by the amount of shots he faced.

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02-28-2009, 10:25 PM
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That's why we could use another D-Man by deadline not named Kaberle.

Something is wrong with Komi & I'm worried he could go on the IL. We should wait until off season to try to get Bouwmeester, so we don't sell the farm. But if it's at possible to get Pronger or a Jovo-cop, then Bob should pull the trigger.
The shots have nothing to do with our defense...it's directly related to sitting back at the blueline as soon as we get a lead. How hard is that to comprehend?

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02-28-2009, 10:27 PM
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The shots have nothing to do with our defense...it's directly related to sitting back at the blueline as soon as we get a lead. How hard is that to comprehend?
I do't even think it has to do with leads, we give up the blue line too damn easily ALL THE TIME. We need some better defensive coaching.

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02-28-2009, 10:28 PM
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A lot of the big shot differential (not tonight, but vs. sens and nucks) is due to the habs giving up so many PPs. When you're down the other team gets 8 PPs and habs get 3 there's gonna be a big shot differential.

The good news is that the habs PK is getting good.

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02-28-2009, 10:30 PM
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also the habs collapse the zone.

a lot of people dislike it since they basically abandon the point and it looks really ugly and leans on the goalie a lot. But the upside of that strategy is that it cuts down on the room for an opposition Dmen to streak into the play (like Markov's specialty).

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Record when Outshooting Opponent:
13 wins
10 losses
4 OTL

Record when Outshot:
18 wins
11 losses
3 OTL

Record when Shots even:
3 wins
1 losses
0 OTL
Let's get outshot more

Basically, that's been Montréal's theme for the past... 10 maybe more years. Get outshot and your goalie basically keeps you in the game.

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02-28-2009, 10:33 PM
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Its obvious there really isn't a clear answer. Everyone here seems to have a different opinion but they all look like they are contributing factors to being outshot. Wat posted a crazy stat, we are a below a .500 team with OT losses when outshooting opponent.

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i am concerned. it's the same thing over and over. our d gets the puck, chips it high in the air, they come back 3 on 2 and get a shot on net. repeat. once halak cools down we're going to be in the same situation we were in 2 weeks ago unless we tighten up on D and learn to make better outlet passes.

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02-28-2009, 10:36 PM
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Now OP, please post the stats for Quality shots.

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02-28-2009, 10:39 PM
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Now OP, please post the stats for Quality shots.
Be my guest? I thought this was an interesting topic and if you can come up with a way to do this go for it.

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02-28-2009, 10:43 PM
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also we give a lot of shots because we never have the puck, and when we do have the puck, we lose it too easily

we have to keep the puck in the offensive zone and sadly, the only forward i see winning his battles along the boards on a consistent basis is patches, which is sad because more players should do the same and patches needs to play more often with better players...

puck posession is the best defense

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Let's get outshot more

Basically, that's been Montréal's theme for the past... 10 maybe more years. Get outshot and your goalie basically keeps you in the game.
Yes, and that's also why we've been a mediocre team for over 10 years (minus last season).

This is a pretty big concern; goalies aren't going to bail us out forever.

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02-28-2009, 11:36 PM
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While it would be tempting to think that one great defenseman would lower the shots against, it has got to be the system; New Jersey seems to have given up less than 30 shots per game for the last 10 years. Perhaps the coaching staff just like this collapse/shell approach, but how long can you play with this kind of fire?

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03-01-2009, 12:06 AM
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Yeah, I really don't think its the defense and its more the system we play. Its suppose to be a defensive system but we get madly outshot, I think a lot of them are perimeter shots however.

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As long as Halak is in nets, the Habs don't need to outshoot anyone.

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our defensive system

for the past 5-10 games now we never really gotten a high amount of shots and everybody says its because we play a defensive game and our goal is not to get shots

well if our goal is to play defensive hockey why have we been giving up 40+ shots per game it is simply ridiculous and i believe that is 1.....only 1 of the reasons price is has been struggling and for halak i dont know what to say i guess he just thrives on an excess amount of shots lol

can anybody get me the ratio of the shots given up against taken for the past 5-10 games thanks

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outshot and outplayed most night.

yes, a big concern.

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Let's get outshot more

Basically, that's been Montréal's theme for the past... 10 maybe more years. Get outshot and your goalie basically keeps you in the game.

Yeah, the habs have been getting outshot for as long as I can remember. Honestly as long as were winning I don't give a **** what the shots are.

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I'm taking these wins as a work in-progress, still plenty of things to work on, giving up shots is definetley a high priority.

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