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Pronger, 3rd for Filppula, Stuart, 1st

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03-01-2009, 01:46 PM
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Pronger, 3rd for Filppula, Stuart, 1st

Gives Ana a young 2nd line center and a replacement D...Detroit some much needed defense .....salary fairly even and picks to sweeten the pot.

What do you think? Close, way off?

Makes Det pretty nasty for the playoff run, but they might be hooped w 3 $6M+ Dmen for next year...

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Not nearly enough, plus Detroit would be handcuffing themselves this summer

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Stuart has a NTC; he's not waiving it to go from a team with a legit shot at the Cup to a team that's fighting to get into the playoffs.

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I don't think either team does this. Detroit would have to say good bye to Hossa, and maybe more.... And Anaheim is helping out a division leader...

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Stuart has a NTC; he's not waiving it to go from a team with a legit shot at the Cup to a team that's fighting to get into the playoffs.
ah, didnt know that

was just curious as Det is one place not being mentioned for Pronger, and he seems like exactly what they need right now...

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I don't think either team does this. Detroit would have to say good bye to Hossa, and maybe more.... And Anaheim is helping out a division leader...
ANA and DET are not in the same DIV

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Stuart has a NTC; he's not waiving it to go from a team with a legit shot at the Cup to a team that's fighting to get into the playoffs.
I beg to differ. His wife is from California (which is why he signed a 1 yr deal with LA as a 27yr old UFA in 07). If he would have been offered a deal by one of the Cali teams rather than DET, he'd be there now.

Doesn't matter though, this deal is poor value for the Ducks and would never happen.

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I beg to differ. His wife is from California (which is why he signed a 1 yr deal with LA as a 27yr old UFA in 07). If he would have been offered a deal by one of the Cali teams rather than DET, he'd be there now.
And this explains why he signed 4-year deal with Detroit that includes a NTC ........ ?

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And this explains why he signed 4-year deal with Detroit that includes a NTC ........ ?
To make sure he doesn't get traded to any place he really doesn't want to go? He gets to play for a top contender and can control his own future, doesn't have to worry about being traded to Isles or anything.

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Detroit would be screwed come this summer, and I don't think it's enough.

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I don't think either team does this. Detroit would have to say good bye to Hossa, and maybe more.... And Anaheim is helping out a division leader...
lol wut?

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I don't think either team does this. Detroit would have to say good bye to Hossa, and maybe more.... And Anaheim is helping out a division leader...
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lol wut?
Anaheim would be helping out Detroit. You know - that team leading the Central Division ... the one well on pace to play the #7 seed in the playoffs - the spot Anaheim has a chance to finish in. NF never said that Anaheim and Detroit were in the same division.

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lol wut?
What?

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Its actually not to bad... Detroit wouldn't be screwed this summer would just be a bit more tweaking (another 1-2M closer to the cap). If stuart was going to waive his NTC it would only be to a team in socal... Also we dont know the terms of his NTC so we cant really say much about it without knowing.

I think Ana would drop the pick and detroit would have to add a solid prospect. On the high end you looking at Kindl (which i think is too much), More likely it would be emmerton or Mursak which seems about right.

This ofc only works with stuart involved. Interesting thought nice post OP but its fairly unlikely.

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The trade could make sense if Detroit was planning on flipping Pronger to another team after the season. That said, I still don't see this happening.

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The trade could make sense if Detroit was planning on flipping Pronger to another team after the season. That said, I still don't see this happening.
I agree alot of bad blood there too. Pronger is probably the wings biggest rival of the last decade. STL, EDM, Ducks. We have hated him on every team.

If they did get him it would be just another choice at the end of the season. Most likely Hossa is gone anyway. If Hossa leaves we could fit pronger.

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I agree alot of bad blood there too. Pronger is probably the wings biggest rival of the last decade. STL, EDM, Ducks. We have hated him on every team.
That has no relevance at all. I'd argue that Chelios was hated FAR more in Detroit than Pronger is, yet he was accepted with cheers and open arms. Pronger in Detroit would immediately become a fan favorite because he'll hit and play dirty, just like Chelios did when he came here.

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That has no relevance at all. I'd argue that Chelios was hated FAR more in Detroit than Pronger is, yet he was accepted with cheers and open arms. Pronger in Detroit would immediately become a fan favorite because he'll hit and play dirty, just like Chelios did when he came here.
Good point.

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Not enough going Anaheims way and Detroit can't afford Pronger after this season are two of the many reasons why this trade doesn't work.

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this is actually interesting, i like this from Detroits POV, but if stuart + filp + 1st isnt enough for pronger(is he a rental if he isnt then maybe its not enough) then i dont think detroit does this, maybe we throw in a prospect or 2. actually didnt mick/ken/murph mention pronger coming to DET when we faced the ducks recently. its a possibility and having pronger on a team would be huge for our physical play

and losing stueys 3 mil and filps 3 mill in the offseason might be good but idk prongers contract so maybe not,


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this is actually interesting, i like this from Detroits POV, but if stuart + filp + 1st isnt enough for pronger(is he a rental if he isnt then maybe its not enough) then i dont think detroit does this, maybe we throw in a prospect or 2. actually didnt mick/ken/murph mention pronger coming to DET when we faced the ducks recently. its a possibility and having pronger on a team would be huge for our physical play

and losing stueys 3 mil and filps 3 mill in the offseason might be good but idk prongers contract so maybe not,
Legends of detroits cap problems are greatly exaggerated. Detroit has the good kinda cap problems. Our core is signed and we have two luxury forwards (hossa/Franzen) that they can do without. Detroits cap situation only becomes impossible when you add in tryin to sign hossa at 6M+ and Franzen at 4M+.

There is no reasons why they couldnt let hossa walk and sign Franzen, Hudler while keeping pronger signed long term. Pronger makes 6.25M stuart makes 3.75M. So we add 2.5M to our defense which hurts sure. But we shed about 2M with Filp leaving.

So outta our 9M approx cap space for next year.
.5 Pronger
.750 Goalie
.750 Kopecky
.750 Leino
.750 Helm
2.5M hudler
3.5M franzen

9.5M total. And Helm, Kopecky are both a bit overestimated. Pretty much the stanley cup team minus hasek, chelios, sammy,drake, stuart but an addition of pronger.

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ANA and DET are not in the same DIV
But Detroit is still Division leader

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hes only 34, wow i thought he was much older.
I think it would be a good idea for Detroit to pick him up
Pros : Adding a good defender to our very shaky corps
Harder hitter
Has a few years on his contract

Cons : having a payroll with 3 6mill+ defensemen
we would have to give up alot for him

Filp + Stuey+ 1st+Howard/Larson ( you pick) +Ritola+ Meetch/Ericson(you pick here, we probably dont have room for both anyways)
that enough?

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hes only 34, wow i thought he was much older.
I think it would be a good idea for Detroit to pick him up
Pros : Adding a good defender to our very shaky corps
Harder hitter
Has a few years on his contract

Cons : having a payroll with 3 6mill+ defensemen
we would have to give up alot for him

Filp + Stuey+ 1st+Howard/Larson ( you pick) +Ritola+ Meetch/Ericson(you pick here, we probably dont have room for both anyways)
that enough?
2 NHL players, 2 top prospects, a mid-range prospect, and a 1st for Pronger? That's a pretty steep overpayment.

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I ****ing hate Pronger....no

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