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is Neal really still classified as a prospect.

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I like most of the list but quibble with Lindgren at nine. I think the Stars showed far more interest in Wandell than Lindgren. When they needed someone they went with the Swede. At this point I don't even think it likely he comes back over to NA next season.

Conner is AHL fodder. He's more likely to be a free agent or Junior Lessard than NHLer. Austin Smith deserves some recognition as a guy who just scores no matter where he's playing. I have no idea if it translates in the pro game but his ceiling is higher and more likely than Conner.

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I like most of the list but quibble with Lindgren at nine. I think the Stars showed far more interest in Wandell than Lindgren. When they needed someone they went with the Swede. At this point I don't even think it likely he comes back over to NA next season.

Conner is AHL fodder. He's more likely to be a free agent or Junior Lessard than NHLer. Austin Smith deserves some recognition as a guy who just scores no matter where he's playing. I have no idea if it translates in the pro game but his ceiling is higher and more likely than Conner.
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Yeah I'm thinking Lindgren is no longer in Dallas's long term plans.

And they're prospects until they reach a certain amount of games, that's HF's rule. I'm surprised some of the scores haven't gotten higher, I guess it's the stars fan in me that has a hard time seeing Fistric as a 6.5.

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Yeah I'm thinking Lindgren is no longer in Dallas's long term plans.

And they're prospects until they reach a certain amount of games, that's HF's rule. I'm surprised some of the scores haven't gotten higher, I guess it's the stars fan in me that has a hard time seeing Fistric as a 6.5.
How is a 6.5 not accurate for Fistric?

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Probably a little early to say Lindgren is no longer part of the long term plan. I'm sure Lindgren will play in Austin next year. If he's smart he'll play with the attitude that it's his last chance to make it in the NHL. He'll have to show something next season to earn another season after that.

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Mostly because I could see him more as a #4 than a #5, but I guess 6.5 is just inbetween them both right?

I've heard things about Lindgren being out of shape with his team and just not having that great of a season in general, and I just don't see how another playmaking center could be in the cards for Dallas at this point. I'm thinking there's a guy or two on the depth chart above him, namely Wandell.

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It would not suprise me that they offer Lindgren a 2 way deal next year to help fill out Austin given our lack of prospects (in numbers). If we chooses to come over which is not a given and succeeds then he has achance but I also think Wadell looked better and seems to have the ability to play d and seems to be a better skater. Again with Ribs, Richards and Mo we do not need a center for a few years and it likley will be 3/4 liner at first which Lindgren definitely is not.

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HF probably needs to give the individual writers some discretion when it comes to who qualifies as prospects.

It's nice to have a top 20 where almost everyone is an actual prospect, finally. Austin Smith is the only real argument, could definitely consider him before Monast.

A little surprised that Roman and Korostin both came in ahead of Sceviour and Tassone. Great to see Larsen recognized though. #7 is dead on.

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Maybe they consider them better since they've older and are closer to the NHL?

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Roman is the best pure center we have. Wandell can play all three forward spots and may make this team in the future on the wings. Korostin after a shaky start in London is beginning to show his offensive prowess on a bad Peterborough team. He and Vishnevskiy probably have the most pure talent of anyone in the Stars' prospect list. Whether he reaches that ceiling I can't say but his ceiling is very high, so for now he'd get the nod. At least that's what I think.

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It would not suprise me that they offer Lindgren a 2 way deal next year to help fill out Austin given our lack of prospects (in numbers). If we chooses to come over which is not a given and succeeds then he has achance but I also think Wadell looked better and seems to have the ability to play d and seems to be a better skater. Again with Ribs, Richards and Mo we do not need a center for a few years and it likley will be 3/4 liner at first which Lindgren definitely is not.
I'm pretty sure Lindgren still has one year left on his entry level contract after this season. I believe he signed a three year entry level deal in 2006 at 19 year old. He played the 06-07 season in Finland and his contract slide a year due to his age. So 07-08 was the "repeated" first year of his contract, this year is the second year and the last year is next year. If the Stars want to keep him around, he'll be on a two way contract and under Stars control for at least two or three more seasons with a low AHL salary. So, unless he's just terrible and doesn't want to play in North America, he'll probably be a roster filler in Austin for several more seasons.

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For the record guys, I tried to leave Chris Conner off arguing that his NHL future is limited, his age, his experience I tried to get an exception to have him yanked...but I had to keep him on because he is a pro player and a fine one with potential to be an AHL all-star and NHL filler...so, I tried, I see the same thing you guys do in that regard...

For what it's worth, Monast made it over Austin Smith nearly by way of a coin flip...and by coin flip I mean that I felt Monast plays tougher competition than Austin Smith does on a nightly basis and I gave him the nod...but the argument could be made to have Smith at 19 and Monast at 20 and lose Conner...

It's also tough for me to make the call about whether Lindgren is in your plans or not, my job is to judge potential more or less and he has it (that isn't to say I don't factor in "future plans" but potential is first most of the time)...yes, he lacks desire, yes he lacks conditioning, but he is a very talented playmaker...candidly, I wanted to drop him more, but not enough talent below him took off for me to justify it...he's not likely to be top 12 on most teams at this point though...

Lindgren has one year left on his deal after this one (he's loaned, not a deserter, correct?)...cap hit of $693,867 and a base salary in 09-10 of $525,000 which I would assume (read: mildly educated guess) comes with a ~$78,750 minor league salary.

Also, respectfully, I'm pretty confident with Fistric at 6.5...there's a solid meat and potatoes guy and nothing more (not that there's anything wrong with that)...

Thanks for the feedback guys, glad to see you aren't rioting over it (or at least you're keeping it to yourself if you do hate it )

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For the record guys, I tried to leave Chris Conner off arguing that his NHL future is limited, his age, his experience I tried to get an exception to have him yanked...but I had to keep him on because he is a pro player and a fine one with potential to be an AHL all-star and NHL filler...so, I tried, I see the same thing you guys do in that regard...

For what it's worth, Monast made it over Austin Smith nearly by way of a coin flip...and by coin flip I mean that I felt Monast plays tougher competition than Austin Smith does on a nightly basis and I gave him the nod...but the argument could be made to have Smith at 19 and Monast at 20 and lose Conner...

It's also tough for me to make the call about whether Lindgren is in your plans or not, my job is to judge potential more or less and he has it (that isn't to say I don't factor in "future plans" but potential is first most of the time)...yes, he lacks desire, yes he lacks conditioning, but he is a very talented playmaker...candidly, I wanted to drop him more, but not enough talent below him took off for me to justify it...he's not likely to be top 12 on most teams at this point though...

Lindgren has one year left on his deal after this one (he's loaned, not a deserter, correct?)...cap hit of $693,867 and a base salary in 09-10 of $525,000 which I would assume (read: mildly educated guess) comes with a ~$78,750 minor league salary.

Also, respectfully, I'm pretty confident with Fistric at 6.5...there's a solid meat and potatoes guy and nothing more (not that there's anything wrong with that)...

Thanks for the feedback guys, glad to see you aren't rioting over it (or at least you're keeping it to yourself if you do hate it )
What sort of research goes into these lists? I mean, is it purely statistical/situational, or how much of it is live scouting?

Always been curious, that's all. I was briefly a writer for the Stars on this site, and I compiled my list entirely on stats and what I'd read from other sites.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...p20_prospects/

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I personally think your list is fine, though I wonder how many of us in here feel like Jamie Benn has 1st liner potential?

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Benn-Richards-Eriksson should give coaches nightmares in two years. It along with say Morrow-Ribiero-Brunnstrom is a nice one two combo. I have no doubt Benn would play well with Ribs but I think that spot is kinda taken. Richards for a center though is kinda a nice consolation prize.

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What sort of research goes into these lists? I mean, is it purely statistical/situational, or how much of it is live scouting?

Always been curious, that's all. I was briefly a writer for the Stars on this site, and I compiled my list entirely on stats and what I'd read from other sites.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...p20_prospects/

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Ah, I hate stats to be honest...so I've seen all these players at least a handful of times...trying to think of who I've seen the least, it's probably your college guys...like Austin Smith, every time I see Richard Bachman he loses (seriously, I don't recall seeing him win in a game I was watching), I've only seen Philip Larsen a couple times but what I saw I've liked a lot (notice the major jump for him) and some of your nonsense guys that are bottom five in the organization...

I mean, stats play some role but they're misleading...like with Nico Sacchetti this year, he's not playing awful, he just doesn't get ice time really, but if you saw 5 points for the year on the Golden Gophers - you might say "bust" or he's a "defensive forward" and he's neither...I'm not his biggest fan (thus the drop) but he's playing better than that 5 points might indicate...and then the opposite last year with Richard Bachman, who's numbers were outstanding but I didn't really love what I saw (the numbers were so "convincing" that I even consulted our resident NCAA specialist, she mostly agreed with my thoughts on him)...

I also talk to other people close to these players...like I had no idea who or what a Mike Bergin was (your 2008 7th rounder) so I talked to his coach and GM about him and his game to see what I could learn about him...same with Scott Winkler, it's rare to see a team called the Russell Stover Stars (Midget team) on TV, ya know...

I'm curious to see what Jamie Benn becomes as well, he's not a good skater really, but I did bump him to a 7.5 I think...he is an excellent WHL player, excellent...

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Ah, I hate stats to be honest...so I've seen all these players at least a handful of times...trying to think of who I've seen the least, it's probably your college guys...like Austin Smith, every time I see Richard Bachman he loses (seriously, I don't recall seeing him win in a game I was watching), I've only seen Philip Larsen a couple times but what I saw I've liked a lot (notice the major jump for him) and some of your nonsense guys that are bottom five in the organization...

I mean, stats play some role but they're misleading...like with Nico Sacchetti this year, he's not playing awful, he just doesn't get ice time really, but if you saw 5 points for the year on the Golden Gophers - you might say "bust" or he's a "defensive forward" and he's neither...I'm not his biggest fan (thus the drop) but he's playing better than that 5 points might indicate...and then the opposite last year with Richard Bachman, who's numbers were outstanding but I didn't really love what I saw (the numbers were so "convincing" that I even consulted our resident NCAA specialist, she mostly agreed with my thoughts on him)...

I also talk to other people close to these players...like I had no idea who or what a Mike Bergin was (your 2008 7th rounder) so I talked to his coach and GM about him and his game to see what I could learn about him...same with Scott Winkler, it's rare to see a team called the Russell Stover Stars (Midget team) on TV, ya know...

I'm curious to see what Jamie Benn becomes as well, he's not a good skater really, but I did bump him to a 7.5 I think...he is an excellent WHL player, excellent...
I have talked to a few friends that watch Benn play and they said he reminds them of a Keith Tkachuk type player.

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I have talked to a few friends that watch Benn play and they said he reminds them of a Keith Tkachuk type player.
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Such a low blow. But a good one.

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[QUOTE=Mike Farkas;18317350]Ah, I hate stats to be honest...so I've seen all these players at least a handful of times...trying to think of who I've seen the least, it's probably your college guys...like Austin Smith, every time I see Richard Bachman he loses (seriously, I don't recall seeing him win in a game I was watching), I've only seen Philip Larsen a couple times but what I saw I've liked a lot (notice the major jump for him) and some of your nonsense guys that are bottom five in the organization...
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Hey Mike, I was just wondering about the reasoning behind Philip Larsen 7.0D rating. or mainly the D rating? Especially when compared to his current teammate Erik Karlson. I do not dispute the fact that Karlsson has a higher off. sealing but more the fact that he is listed as a 8.0C, as I consider Karlsson to be more of a boom/bust type than Larsen.

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