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I really like Stajan. But I have a feeling this season will be his most productive points wise. You can probably expect around 40-50 points after this season normally for Matt. No way he'll get that crazy streak again.
Personally I've never liked Stajan. Prior to this year I always thought he looked like a boy playing in a man's league. Even this year, his play has been up and down. Getting Skille, who could get more ice time in Toronto than Chicago, & Byfuglien would be glorious in my mind.
It amazes me how one good year (43pts in 57 games. his first season with more than 39pts) makes him worth as much as 2 top prospects and a 2nd. Not to mention Beach or a First. These proposals are getting stupid. And this one is from a "hawks" fan no less.
Stajan for Skille and Buff isn't bad because the Hawks could shed some salary at the same time but Buff has great upside. Not to mention the upside Skille has.
As been said many times before, people overrate picks and even prospects to a degree. If Stajan is traded the team getting him will be getting a proven NHLer, cheap 2nd line centre who plays at both ends of the rink. I'm guessing a 2nd (25% chance of making the NHL) or even a first (slightly over 50%) chance of making the NHL is the same value as proven talent? Not a chance. Even Beach, who I think is a Burke like player, has no gurantee's of making the NHL, yet Beach is worth more than a proven young NHLer? The idea behind drafting players is to draft NHLers, not just having prospects that one would hope would make the NHL. If I have a proven commodity with value, I would hope to get something in return that may result in the same.
As been said many times before, people overrate picks and even prospects to a degree. If Stajan is traded the team getting him will be getting[COLOR="Black"] a proven NHLer, cheap 2nd line centre who plays at both ends of the rink. I'm guessing a 2nd (25% chance of making the NHL) or even a first (slightly over 50%) chance of making the NHL is the same value as proven talent? Not a chance. Even Beach, who I think is a Burke like player, has no gurantee's of making the NHL, yet Beach is worth more than a proven young NHLer? The idea behind drafting players is to draft NHLers, not just having prospects that one would hope would make the NHL. If I have a proven commodity with value, I would hope to get something in return that may result in the same.
That is VERY debatable. Had the Hawks not graduated so many players last season to the NHL, Skille & Hjal would be in the NHL or @ the very getting regular call-up duty.
Stajan for Skille and Buff isn't bad because the Hawks could shed some salary at the same time but Buff has great upside. Not to mention the upside Skille has.
As a Leafs fan, I'd certainly do this. Stajan doesn't fit Burke's mold. He's not good enough to create offense on his own and not defensive enough to play a shutdown role.
Stajan is one of about 5 or six guys worth keeping long term on the Leafs. On a good team he is a third line center who works both ends of the rink ,good guy on the penalty kill and can for short periods step up into a second line role and provide some offence.........injury insurance in that role really.
You do realize his production works out to more that over a healthy 82 game season right?
Actually, if he didnt get injured in the middle of the season (which is when he got hurt) he probably might of kept the scoring going. Injuries do have that effect on some players.
He is still young, getting better, and isnt a UFA, and signed at a very reasonable $1.75M this season and next. Thats what matters, and that what will determine his value. If teams wont pay the right price, the Leafs are better off keeping him.
I'm sure GMs will take into consideration that he hasn't been producing the same the past month and half and hasn't been the same after his injury. I mean injuries do have an effect on some players.
He is an UFA after next season. He is not a proven player and a risk for any team if they think he'll produce at the same pace with them. Nothing shows that this season isn't an anomaly and not a flash in a pan. As of right now, he's still a third liner who had an amazing couple of months and came back to earth in the past month and a half in my books. Now if next season, the last year of his contract and will be an impending UFA, come deadline time he mimics this production I'd take him more seriously. Which is why IMO Leafs should keep him a while longer if they really think he's as good as his production suggests. It'll only increase his value. If they don't think he's as good as his numbers show, they'll probably deal him now. Just one man's opinion who isn't sold on Stajan.
i personally like stajan and would try to avoid trading him but i think chicago is a good location for him if he did go. the only part of this trade i dont like kontiola just not a burke player imo, how about something like...
stajan
for
skille
greenop
and a 2nd
i realize kontiola is better than greenop but i kinda thought the first deal was a little overpayment for stajan and greenop is definately a big enforcer that the leafs are missing
"But don't trade Stajan. He's a cog of our team (sad as that is)!"
(the point of a blowup is to trade your main pieces when they're at their most valuable. I'd say that's right now)
I'll never understand some Montreal fans who don't get Leafs fans.
"Rebuild!" is what we say. Not "Blow it all up!". I'm sorry, what do you call a young, internally developed player good in his own zone and on pace for over 50 points? How does that player not sound like a decent piece in a rebuild?
It's called being realistic. We can't play the game with no centers. We currently have so few with any ability that Stajan is playing on the top line. The negligible return he would get isn't worth what Stajan is to our team.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp, I'm unsure how some don't get it.
I don't see the Hawks giving up Brouwer at all. He'll be part of the growing corps of youth there along with Kane, Toews, etc. If Kontiola and a second rounder are too much to add with Skille, do you think the Hawks might part with Aliu? They also have an abundance of guys who can can put up the penalty minutes but still contribute offensively in Burrish, Brouwer and Versteeg, though Versteeg is more offensively gifted this year.
I don't see the Hawks giving up Brouwer at all. He'll be part of the growing corps of youth there along with Kane, Toews, etc. If Kontiola and a second rounder are too much to add with Skille, do you think the Hawks might part with Aliu? They also have an abundance of guys who can can put up the penalty minutes but still contribute offensively in Burrish, Brouwer and Versteeg, though Versteeg is more offensively gifted this year.
I see Kontiola being moved but whoever wants Skille and Brouwer will have to pay and arm and a leg.
Kontiola just has no place on the Hawks.
Its sad because he has Adam Oates type talent, the kid can make some sweet effortless passes on the tape, hes your prototypical playmaker that will rack up assists. In the right situation the guy could be a 70+ point player.
He would be great in Columbus or St Louis and maybe Nashville or LA.
Trading for Stajan now would be a "buy high sell low" situation, which should be avoided. It is unlikely that Stajan will ever have as much trade value as he does right now as he is most likely performing over his actual ability (imo his slowdown after the hot burst is showing this nicely).
He is not a bad player, but not one I would want the Hawks to target.
Trading for Stajan now would be a "buy high sell low" situation, which should be avoided. It is unlikely that Stajan will ever have as much trade value as he does right now as he is most likely performing over his actual ability (imo his slowdown after the hot burst is showing this nicely).
He is not a bad player, but not one I would want the Hawks to target.
Id take Stajan for the right price. Id give up a pick and a second tier prospect for him.
Moving Skille and Barker would be absolutely out of the question.
In all honesty, I think Skille and a 2nd rounder is pretty fair for Stajan. I think I'm in the minority of Leafs fans when I say I am not a huge Stajan fan. I just think he is a decent player and really isn't great at one particular thing. I just see Stajan as a player that is easily replaceable. Someone like Skille is a bit of a risk because he is unproven but if he pans out the way he is supposed than it could pay off for the Leafs.
Maybe a Hawk fan can give a better analysis of Skille right now. I am familiar with him but I haven't kept up to date with him. I know he has great speed, a great shot, can definantly give a dman fits with his stickhandling and size. I remember his downwall was his work ethic....anyone care to add?
In all honesty, I think Skille and a 2nd rounder is pretty fair for Stajan. I think I'm in the minority of Leafs fans when I say I am not a huge Stajan fan. I just think he is a decent player and really isn't great at one particular thing. I just see Stajan as a player that is easily replaceable. Someone like Skille is a bit of a risk because he is unproven but if he pans out the way he is supposed than it could pay off for the Leafs.
Maybe a Hawk fan can give a better analysis of Skille right now. I am familiar with him but I haven't kept up to date with him. I know he has great speed, a great shot, can definantly give a dman fits with his stickhandling and size. I remember his downwall was his work ethic....anyone care to add?
No way Tallon gives Skille and a 2nd for Stajan.
Skille = sure fire top 6 winger.
He will need some serious NHL time but his potential as a top 6 is almost certain.
No GM would deal a top 6 young player on a RFA entry level contract for some help now.
In reality the only thing that Stajan brings to the table is experience but other then that Skille age and potential makes him the more desirable player... What Stajan can do now isnt worth giving up Skille.
Seriously? This may be the first I've seen anyone interested in Joseph this year. He's very valuable for our tank efforts right now though, so it'll take way more to get him.
Since Niemi seems to have overtaken Crawford as Hawks' goalie of the future, Leafs would love to get Crawford and Igor Makarov (who may never come over):sarcasm
for Stajan:
Since Niemi seems to have overtaken Crawford as Hawks' goalie of the future, Leafs would love to get Crawford and Igor Makarov (who may never come over):sarcasm
for Stajan:
Niemi has played a total of ONE game for the Hawks, and he looked pretty shaky. The Hawks aren't giving up on Crawford....yet.
