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Why doesn't Thetford Mines have...

..a franchise in the Q?

(I'll admit the Kraft hockeyville stuff brought them to mind.)

Nonetheless, why not?

If they were willing to try Lewiston, for gosh sakes...

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..a franchise in the Q?

(I'll admit the Kraft hockeyville stuff brought them to mind.)

Nonetheless, why not?

If they were willing to try Lewiston, for gosh sakes...

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Old, unsuitable, rundown arena, poor economic situation, close to Victoriaville which is barely getting by.

Lewiston was a entry point into the USA.

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Saint-Georges would be more appropriate.

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Saint-Georges would be more appropriate.
Arena is not adequate and is too close to Quebec with the largest QMJHL arena by far in the province.

St. Hyacinthe, Sherbrooke, Granby all failed with bigger arenas or larger populations or better economic situations. Sorel and St. Jerome gave up on the Q soon after the start of the league.

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Arena is not adequate and is too close to Quebec with the largest QMJHL arena by far in the province.

St. Hyacinthe, Sherbrooke, Granby all failed with bigger arenas or larger populations or better economic situations. Sorel and St. Jerome gave up on the Q soon after the start of the league.
Sorel lasted from 1969 to 1981, that's not exactly "soon after" the start of the league.

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Sorel lasted from 1969 to 1981, that's not exactly "soon after" the start of the league.
First Sorel franchise with Raymond Bourque left for Verdun after the 1976-77 season and was replaced. Two franchise failures in one city, only game in town, even though they had many stars and a winning record virtually all the time is not a good omen.

13 seasons after the start of a league that is 40 years old and counting is much closer to soon after then to well into.

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Arena is not adequate and is too close to Quebec with the largest QMJHL arena by far in the province.

St. Hyacinthe, Sherbrooke, Granby all failed with bigger arenas or larger populations or better economic situations. Sorel and St. Jerome gave up on the Q soon after the start of the league.

Quebec doesn't have the Beauce fanbase, so Saint-Georges might work.

They could try again with Sherbrooke. The LNAH is about to be dissolved and they could try to attract the St-François' fanbase...

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Quebec doesn't have the Beauce fanbase, so Saint-Georges might work.

They could try again with Sherbrooke. The LNAH is about to be dissolved and they could try to attract the St-François' fanbase...
QMJHL team budgets are significantly greater than LNAH team budgets. Travel alone is a major factor when compared to the LNAH.

Sherbrooke has various issues - weak economy, poor attendance despite championship teams and a transient university/CEGEP population.

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First Sorel franchise with Raymond Bourque left for Verdun after the 1976-77 season and was replaced.
No it wasn't. They moved to Verdun in 1977 but were back in 1979. Same franchise.

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13 seasons after the start of a league that is 40 years old and counting is much closer to soon after then to well into.
And the fact they didn't succeed thirty years ago is reason to keep them from having a second chance?

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No it wasn't. They moved to Verdun in 1977 but were back in 1979. Same franchise.



And the fact they didn't succeed thirty years ago is reason to keep them from having a second chance?

Effectively they had two chances according to your post. The Cardin is not getting any younger nor is it getting bigger. The economy is in the pits since the shipyards are virtually closed and local industry is marginal. Could not support the LNAH and lost the Midget AAA more than 10 years ago.

Granted Verdun has had numerous chances but the arena gets updated, a second rink was added, the area is gentrifying with some growth. Walking distance to a subway station with access to the Montreal market, media and population.

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Effectively they had two chances according to your post.
Potato, potato. It was the same team and all happened within a few years of each other.

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The Cardin is not getting any younger nor is it getting bigger.
It was extensively renovated not that long ago.

I'm not saying Sorel is a great idea, just that it deserves some consideration instead of your pooh-poohing it.

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The Sorel Market

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Potato, potato. It was the same team and all happened within a few years of each other.



It was extensively renovated not that long ago.

I'm not saying Sorel is a great idea, just that it deserves some consideration instead of your pooh-poohing it.
As were a number of Quebec arenas and most will be in the future since the hockey infrastucture was allowed to deteriorate in many municipalities, most notably Montreal.

The Colisee Cardin was renovated but it was still not deemed adequate for the Midget AAA and could not support the LNAH (not that anyone is supporting the LNAH these days).

Consideration.Learned along time ago that consideration without finacial support is a waste of time. Step up with the dollars and people will listen.

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Consideration.Learned along time ago that consideration without finacial support is a waste of time. Step up with the dollars and people will listen.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If someone steps up with the plan and the wherewithal to put a team in Sorel, it could work. That's it.

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