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View Poll Results: Would you Trade Grachev for M. St Louis?
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03-02-2009, 08:56 PM
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but is it worth it to THIS team?
Another fair point. Sorry, but Martin St. Louis doesn't make the Rangers a Cup contender.

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Trading the future away for a nearly 34 year old winger is almost as stupid as trading any future away for Tkachuk. Unless you honestly believe we're one Martin St. Louis away from winning the cup, this trade doesn't help us. If he was 27, at least we'd have the potential to lock him up long term, but no he's not, so this makes zero sense. He fills a need now but this team is going to win now regardless. The question isn't does he fill a void now, it's will he fill a void when the rest of the team's ready?

But yes, lets call Sather an idiot when any rumors come up of trading the youth, and then ourselves propose the same things!
St. Louis has the production to match his contract....He isn't a dog...He is a good player....He is the sort of player you trade prospects for......

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03-02-2009, 08:57 PM
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Let's not forget that our best forward prospect died a few months ago. Can you imagine our prospect forward depth without Grachev? Frightening.

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Why is Grachev being so overrated here? He has proven NOTHING at the NHL or AHL level and you wouldn't give him up for a proven high scoring winger which the Rangers need very badly right now? Once again HF Ranger fans overrating prospects.
It's not entirely about Grachev. This team isn't one or two players away from winning the cup, so why trade away valuable assets? Just so we can get bounced in the 2nd round instead of the 1st?

Unless we move one of our big contracts, St. Louis would just add to our cap problems. Plus, this team is undersized. Adding St. Louis doesn't help that.

We need to have the patience as an organization to let our young players develop and become the core of the team, instead of trying to pick our best players off the free agent wire every year, or trying to trade everything to land some other team's aging star. If that means we miss the playoffs this year or lose in the 1st round, so be it.

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Another fair point. Sorry, but Martin St. Louis doesn't make the Rangers a Cup contender.
Yes, he does. He very well does.

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03-02-2009, 08:59 PM
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Let's not forget that our best forward prospect died a few months ago. Can you imagine our prospect forward depth without Grachev? Frightening.
Anisimov, Stepan, Kveton, Zaborski. I need my blankie

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St. Louis should probably warrant a first round pick (I'd assume a contender would be making the deal so the 20-30 range), a solid prospect, and a throw in forward... similar to what ATL got for Hossa. Hossa was better, but St. Louis also has another year at a fair cap hit...

Not the deal for this team right now...

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03-02-2009, 09:00 PM
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Wow, you would actually trade a Tavares type player for St.Louis......
i wouldn't trade a #1,#2 pick but our 1st rounder is going to be in the teens which is a complete uncertainty.

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Yes, he does. He very well does.
No he doesn't, whatever your smoking, pass it this way please.

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i wouldn't trade a #1,#2 pick but our 1st rounder is going to be in the teens which is a complete uncertainty.
That's a huge difference. I would much rather trade our 1st than Grachev to be honest.

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Anisimov, Stepan, Kveton, Zaborski. I need my blankie
Not one of those guys is a HIGH-end prospect. Your probably lucky if one of them has a good NHL career,

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Yes, he does. He very well does.
Maybe if Vinny came along with him....

And if Redden lets them borrow his Delorean.

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No he doesn't, whatever your smoking, pass it this way please.
Just my way of thinking, but any team in the playoffs is technically a "cup contender" until they are eliminated. Doesnt make this the right trade, just sayin.

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We've discussed Martin St Louis several times over the last two seasons. There must have been at least three threads. I probably started two of them


He is Bona Fide, relatively cheap, and an all around great hockey player.

He is also 33+ years old and his nick name is Mighty Mite.


He would ABSOLUTELY be welcomed on the NY Rangers. He brings above all else, a bona fide scoring touch.

All the discussions boil down to that one KEY KEY KEY component.

What does it cost to get him?

I would be hesitant to offer Grachev. But I would think about one of Sanguinetti or Del Zotto in the package that goes Tampa Bays way. Some cap has to go back to Tampa in that deal.

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I'm not going to comment on whether I think this will happen or even if I think it's a good idea or not.

I just want to know why we can never have a player like that at MSG when they are in their prime.

The garden would explode every night.

pfffft
2005-2006 Jagr wasn't in his prime?

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And you also have a Malkin avatar.
so?...

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Not one of those guys is a HIGH-end prospect. Your probably lucky if one of them has a good NHL career,
Kveton is going to be very, very good. You dont have to take my word for it, either. Plus Anisimov is considered a potential first line center. I dont see Grachev as too much higher than either of them.

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Anisimov, Stepan, Kveton, Zaborski. I need my blankie
To compare Grachev to Kveton & Zaborsky is ridiculous. Stepan is shaping up to be a decent prospect but he isn't near Grachev's level yet either.

You don't trade away a forward prospect like Grachev for an undersized 34-year-old player. He is nearing the end of his prime years, this is just another typical "mortgaging the future" mentality. If it's a player like Kovalchuk, obviously you do this trade. But St. Louis? No thanks.

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2005-2006 Jagr wasn't in his prime?
No. This was.
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so?...

lmfao...

How many times do people try to "call you out" on having a Malkin Av on a ranger board?

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St. Louis should probably warrant a first round pick (I'd assume a contender would be making the deal so the 20-30 range), a solid prospect, and a throw in forward... similar to what ATL got for Hossa. Hossa was better, but St. Louis also has another year at a fair cap hit...

Not the deal for this team right now...
Don't forget St Louis brings alot of skill. He plays EVERY situation. 5 on 5 , PP, PK He's pretty clutch too. Guy is just a great all around player.

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Sidenote: I would trade any of our other prospects for him... including Anisimov. I'm just high on Grachev and don't want him gone

If St. Louis decided to waive his NTC, I am confident Sather can get him without trading the big Russian away.

I think Anisimov and a first this year is a decent package for a rebuilding Tampa team, even though I know other teams can clearly do better.

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while this sounds great, and the perfect fit for this season's playoff run. I don't see the benefits in the NOW outweighing the benefits of having our star prospects LATER. sorry st louis.

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No. This was.
1995-96 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 82 62 87 149 96 18 11 12 23 18
1996-97 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 63 47 48 95 40 5 4 4 8 4
1997-98 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 77 35 67 102 64 6 4 5 9 2
1998-99 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 81 44 83 127 66 9 5 7 12 16
1999-00 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 63 42 54 96 50 11 8 8 16 6
2000-01 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 81 52 69 121 42 16 2 10 12 18
Perhaps not HIS prime... but breaking the single season scoring record for this team is nothing to sneeze at lol. It was better than pretty much anyone else's prime that year.

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