I dont know where to put this but Dubi at BB gave out this proposal, which to me looks way undervalued on the side of the Rangers.
Dawes, Rozsival, Potter, draft pick for JBo.......
Does anyone else think that isnt enough going to Florida? Although it is what they are asking for. Two players who can help them now and in the future and a prospect who could probably make their team next season.
I dont know where to put this but Dubi at BB gave out this proposal, which to me looks way undervalued on the side of the Rangers.
Dawes, Rozsival, Potter, draft pick for JBo.......
Does anyone else think that isnt enough going to Florida? Although it is what they are asking for. Two players who can help them now and in the future and a prospect who could probably make their team next season.
I would think another team could put together a much better package than that, ie, the rumored Flyers package for JBo that includes Lupul & JVR.
I dont know where to put this but Dubi at BB gave out this proposal, which to me looks way undervalued on the side of the Rangers.
Dawes, Rozsival, Potter, draft pick for JBo.......
Does anyone else think that isnt enough going to Florida? Although it is what they are asking for. Two players who can help them now and in the future and a prospect who could probably make their team next season.
How much will JayBo ask for this upcoming summer? I know Rosy's salary comes down 4.3 in real numbers, but will they save that much less that it's worth it to trade a guy like JayBo just to take Rosy right back?
For sure would have to be a first, Rozsival is a defenseman who would help keep them somewhat competitive..
I think I would even consider Dubinsky, Rozsival, and a 1st.
I really like St Louis, but he is not the pure sniper we need at this point. Plus another undersized forward would suck- I'd rather have Danny Briere- but there's no way we do even a three way trade to get him although I heard he might be available.
Battleship Grachev? Developing more quickly than expected but whether he turns into something great is anyones guess. But to me, you don't trade a guy with a nickname as good as that.
Ideally I'd love Frolov too, and even Gaborik, although he may have character issues. Not basing that on anything I know, just a hunch.
You read it here first folks, Slats is gonna pull off something big big big. Let the hfboards posts fly when that happens...this trade deadline is gonna be fun!
I really like St Louis, but he is not the pure sniper we need at this point. Plus another undersized forward would suck- I'd rather have Danny Briere- but there's no way we do even a three way trade to get him although I heard he might be available.
Battleship Grachev? Developing more quickly than expected but whether he turns into something great is anyones guess. But to me, you don't trade a guy with a nickname as good as that.
Ideally I'd love Frolov too, and even Gaborik, although he may have character issues. Not basing that on anything I know, just a hunch.
You read it here first folks, Slats is gonna pull off something big big big. Let the hfboards posts fly when that happens...this trade deadline is gonna be fun!
See im really not convinced of that at all. Im expecting some minor moves, the biggest of which could be Prucha to Pheonix for Morris. A dissapointing deadline, essentially, culminating in the the return of the scab.
I accidentally clicked yes...but god no I wouldn't trade what could be a very nice player for an aging player comparable to theo fleury late in his career. NO THANKS
If St. Louis was 3 inches taller and at least a couple years younger I'd probably would make that move. The Rangers have a lot of issues at forward needing to be addressed. Goal scoring, size, aggression. Grachev should help with the first two at the least (and maybe the third as well) though I wouldn't project him as a first liner. As young as he is I wouldn't move him for a small 34 year old winding down his career. Would Sather do it ?--is the real question--and he just might.
Anyway it's not a surprise that Tortorella wants to bring players in he's familiar with from Tampa. That comes with the territory of hiring a high profile coach. Look at all the Blackhawks that wound up with us after we hired Keenan.
How much will JayBo ask for this upcoming summer? I know Rosy's salary comes down 4.3 in real numbers, but will they save that much less that it's worth it to trade a guy like JayBo just to take Rosy right back?
For sure would have to be a first, Rozsival is a defenseman who would help keep them somewhat competitive..
I think I would even consider Dubinsky, Rozsival, and a 1st.
JBo is going to get a LOT of money (i would think 6-7 per)... IMO if we were to get him Gomez/Drury/Redden would HAVE to go the other way.. I would trade a whole lot to get JBo, hes a force at the blue line...
That being said, isn't this a Marty St. Louis thread?
My thoughts on Grachev for St. Louis, I would like to hold onto Grachev but at the same time, he was a 3rd round pick and has had one very impressive year in the OHL, now might be the perfect time to trade him, his value is very high. I'm not sure if St. Louis is the right choice because he is old, but I wouldn't be totally against it...
MSL is not a rental. You are getting impact player for two years. He would be as close to Jagr replacement as possible. 34 is not old, neither is 36. We are not talking centre here, wingers do not work as hard and could last much longer. And there is nothing wrong with "mortgaging the future", if it is done right. The problem with NYR of the past we failed to do it right.
Prospects are to be traded, that has always been that way, otherwise there would be no trades. We desperately need an impact scorer. MSL, although small, may fill the bill. If Grachev or who-the-hell-ever lets us get him, I'd go for it, simply because we are not renting, but getting that impact player.
If St. Louis was 3 inches taller and at least a couple years younger I'd probably would make that move. The Rangers have a lot of issues at forward needing to be addressed. Goal scoring, size, aggression. Grachev should help with the first two at the least (and maybe the third as well) though I wouldn't project him as a first liner. As young as he is I wouldn't move him for a small 34 year old winding down his career. Would Sather do it ?--is the real question--and he just might.
I really don't understand this logic at all. It's one thing to discuss a prospect's size when speculating about whether or not he can play in the league, but how can anyone still be using this argument against MSL? This guy has proven that his size doesn't matter, and he would undoubtedly help this team.
That said, I would be very hesitant to ship out Grachev for him. While MSL's size doesn't really matter, his age and contract certainly do, and I would rather see what Grachev can contribute at a fraction of the cost for now.
I'm echoing the same sentiments here... hope it doesn't happen if the return is Gratchev. Too promising as a prospect right now. Love that Gratchev after getting taken in the 3rd immediately said he plans to come to NA right away. Eliminated alot of the garbage that come swith some Eurpopean prospects. "Is he coming, is he not coming etc." This kid wants to be here. He is big kid, don't have anything like him in the system already. I would be pretty pissed if it happened.
Now if Sather could land him with expendable assets? Maybe Sanguinetti, or Roszy and a 1st I would be all over it.
Love that Marty brings a pure goal scorer into the mix. Hate that he makes an already small team even smaller!
I really don't understand this logic at all. It's one thing to discuss a prospect's size when speculating about whether or not he can play in the league, but how can anyone still be using this argument against MSL? This guy has proven that his size doesn't matter, and he would undoubtedly help this team.
That said, I would be very hesitant to ship out Grachev for him. While MSL's size doesn't really matter, his age and contract certainly do, and I would rather see what Grachev can contribute at a fraction of the cost for now.
Would St. Louis' addition more than marginally improve our chances at winning the cup this year or the remaining years of his contract? I would say no--that this team is fundamentally flawed in a number of areas. IMO we are 1) 3-maybe 4 impact players away from being a legitimate contender. 2) we are already too small and soft at forward--not that I consider St. Louis to be a soft player necessarily but his addition would be certainly more of the same in respect to his size. 3) we already have too much cap space tied up in too few veteran players--some of whom are nowhere near the playing level of their paycheck. 4) Grachev represents a break for us in the near future on issues #2 and #3 above.
I accidentally clicked yes...but god no I wouldn't trade what could be a very nice player for an aging player comparable to theo fleury late in his career. NO THANKS
Yeah right!! You saw the results and then thought oh ****!!
MSL is not a rental. You are getting impact player for two years. He would be as close to Jagr replacement as possible. 34 is not old, neither is 36. We are not talking centre here, wingers do not work as hard and could last much longer. And there is nothing wrong with "mortgaging the future", if it is done right. The problem with NYR of the past we failed to do it right.
Prospects are to be traded, that has always been that way, otherwise there would be no trades. We desperately need an impact scorer. MSL, although small, may fill the bill. If Grachev or who-the-hell-ever lets us get him, I'd go for it, simply because we are not renting, but getting that impact player.
Here's the problem. If we trade prospects for MSL, our cap problems will be even worse than they are now. Next year we would have:
That's 42,032,143 tied up in 7 players. Voros and Rissmiller probably won't be back, but we've got another 2,376,667 tied up in Girardi and Staal, making the total 44,408,810 for 9 players.
That leaves us about 12 million, assuming the cap doesn't change, to pay the rest of the team. Most teams carry 23 players, with 2 extra forwards and an extra dman in case of injuries. So that would be 14 players we need to sign, with only 12 mil to do it.
Zherdev, Prucha, Korpikoski, Sjostrom, Dubinsky, Dawes and Callahan are all RFAs. How many of them are you prepared to lose? And Girardi and Staal are RFAs the following year, with only Naslund coming off the books out of the big 7.
Money will be tight as it is if we don't unload one of our big contracts. Adding another high priced player who will only be around for 2+ years isn't worth what we'd lose.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot Sean Avery. That's another ~1.9 mil unless he implodes and we bury him in Hartford.
That's 42,032,143 tied up in 7 players. Voros and Rissmiller probably won't be back, but we've got another 2,376,667 tied up in Girardi and Staal, making the total 44,408,810 for 9 players.
That leaves us about 12 million, assuming the cap doesn't change, to pay the rest of the team. Most teams carry 23 players, with 2 extra forwards and an extra dman in case of injuries. So that would be 14 players we need to sign, with only 12 mil to do it.
Zherdev, Prucha, Korpikoski, Sjostrom, Dubinsky, Dawes and Callahan are all RFAs. How many of them are you prepared to lose? And Girardi and Staal are RFAs the following year, with only Naslund coming off the books out of the big 7.
Money will be tight as it is if we don't unload one of our big contracts. Adding another high priced player who will only be around for 2+ years isn't worth what we'd lose.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot Sean Avery. That's another ~1.9 mil unless he implodes and we bury him in Hartford.
Not saying I want st.louis because I'm not sure what to feel about him...but with voros being waived and most likely gone, if we trade prucha and dawes plus whatever picks, would that clear enough cap space to obtain st.louis?
Not saying I want st.louis because I'm not sure what to feel about him...but with voros being waived and most likely gone, if we trade prucha and dawes plus whatever picks, would that clear enough cap space to obtain st.louis?
It would be enough for this year, but we'd only have 12 forwards. If there are any injuries we might not have the space to bring someone up from Hartford. And we'd still have the same problems next year.
The only way I could see getting St. Louis is if we move one of our big contracts the other way, but I see no reason for TB to do that. And even then I would be reluctant to include any prospects in the deal. We have long term problems and we need long term solutions, not quick fixes.
