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Patrice Bergeron & picks to Anaheim for Chris Pronger

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03-03-2009, 05:02 PM
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THis is a true go for it all attitude. I prefer to contend for many years, then just 2.
In a cap world, you can only contend for so long. You are eventually going to start losing players as your prospects continue to make the jump. You would rather contend for two more seasons rather than go for broke right now? I could understand if we didn't have a cap as Boston could continue to pay their players but in the 2011 offseason (two seasons after this one) they run the risk of losing a boatload of players. Between now and then:

Thomas
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Kobasew

will all become UFA's. Before you jump to certain conclusions you have to ask yourself some questions.

Will Thomas come back next season? If not, is Rask ready to keep the B's at the level they are at right now? How much are Kessel and Krejci going to demand. What happens in the offseason of 2010 when they expected "capageddon" is going to touch down. Will the B's have to cut further salary? How much will Wheeler demand by then?

I;m not trying to dump on you NA but it's not a simple answer to this. I can understand why you don't want to part with Bergy, I really like him as a player but is the overall goal here to win a Cup or keep Bergy around for two more seasons? The way I look at it, if you have a chance for the Cup you go for it now because you never know what next season will bring you.

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I'm not going to sift through all six pages, but I have seen some of the material.

The value is titled heavily in favor of the Bruins if that trade happened. You already have two fantastic centers, and Bergeron is a huge question mark right now.
I'm not explaining it again... If you want my reasoning, go through the thread.

No, he is not a question mark.

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Gotta love HF.

A 23 year old forward plays his first season after missing almost a year of hockey and he's finished.

Maybe if some of you watched the Bruins lately, you'd understand why many are hesitant to give him up. Then again, HF isn't known for common sense. Most people here only give a crap about Fantasy hockey.

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Who said he's finished? I have yet to read that in this thread. I would love to have Bergeron on the DUcks and I'm sure you would love to have Pronger.

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I'd easily take Bergeron over Wheeler....

Wheeler hasn't outplayed Bergeron at any point this season. I also think a healthy Bergeron (such as the Bergeron we have seen recently) is more valuable than a healthy Wheeler.
healthy bergeron is better than healthy wheeler, key word healthy

i think ur right tho this would be an instance where i wouldnt be sure who id rather have. bergeron plays a big role on the team with pp and pk, but wheeler just in his first year is playin phenomenal (a bit slow as of late)

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Despite my earlier defense of Bergeron...

I'd love to have Pahlsson be thrown in..

And I would make this trade if I were the B's....

(Even though my dad has said he thinks Bergeron would be a beast in the playoffs, which I COMPLETELY agree with)

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I'd easily take Bergeron over Wheeler....

Wheeler hasn't outplayed Bergeron at any point this season. I also think a healthy Bergeron (such as the Bergeron we have seen recently) is more valuable than a healthy Wheeler.
With all due respect to Wheeler, he shouldn't even be compared to Bergeron.

People want to say Krejci, Kessel, and Wheeler are better than Bergeron... Ok, come back when they hit 70 points with stellar defensive play... I'd be fine calling them the better players.

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I'm not explaining it again... If you want my reasoning, go through the thread.

No, he is not a question mark.

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Who said he's finished? I have yet to read that in this thread. I would love to have Bergeron on the DUcks and I'm sure you would love to have Pronger.
For some reason it's mostly Leafs fans who think this.

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lol at people calling Bergeron a 3rd line center

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Ok... AGAIN, I highly doubt Boston JUST wants to contend for 2 years.
I didn't say they wanted to contend for JUST 2 years.

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Gotta love HF.

A 23 year old forward plays his first season after missing almost a year of hockey and he's finished.

Maybe if some of you watched the Bruins lately, you'd understand why many are hesitant to give him up. Then again, HF isn't known for common sense. Most people here only give a crap about Fantasy hockey.

Man, I miss the old days on HF.....
8 points in 16 games.

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With two lines, one of them with two inconsistent forwards (Wheeler and Krejci)? Sure!

Bergeron has been better than Kessel, Krejci, Wheeler, and Lucic over the past 16 games. He's starting to become the player he was before his injuries.

Then again, what do I know. I only watch the Bruins every single game.
8 points in the last 16 games.

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With all due respect to Wheeler, he shouldn't even be compared to Bergeron.

People want to say Krejci, Kessel, and Wheeler are better than Bergeron... Ok, come back when they hit 70 points with stellar defensive play... I'd be fine calling them the better players.
Were not talking patrice pre concussion were talking post. pre patrice i keep before all 3. its all about the idea in then hl it seems "what have you done for me lately" and just saying wheeler has arguably had a better year then bergy, granted wheeler is on a much better line.

i def keep kessel and krejci before patrice tho.

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Bergeron, Stuart, Nokelainen and a 1st for Pronger and Moen. I have a hard time believing Pronger could net Bergeorn AND Colborne. Maybe Hamill or Soderberg?

It feels like Pronger will go to Boston or stay in Anaheim. If Bergeron is dealt, I would like to see another foward come our way whether it be Cole or Tkachuk or Guerin.

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I didn't say they wanted to contend for JUST 2 years.
Getting Pronger would suggest that.

If he was 2 years younger I jump all over this trade and don't even look back. But he's 34 and that window is VERY small.

If they

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lol at people calling Bergeron a 3rd line center
............read whats being said

on boston he is there 3rd best center right now.



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Who said he's finished? I have yet to read that in this thread. I would love to have Bergeron on the DUcks and I'm sure you would love to have Pronger.
Not at all.

I've made my opinions very clear in many threads. I would prefer to get another defenseman.

Why? Here are some reasons:

1) Cap space. His cap hit for next season exceeds Bergeron's, or any other player the Bruins would have to give up. This hurts the B's chances to retain Thomas, Kessel, and Krejci.

2) The B's do not have a need for a high-end defenseman. Not at all. It would be great to have him, but it's not a pressing need like a top-6 forward.

3) I have become less and less impressed with Pronger's play over the past year. Yes, he's still an excellent defenseman. However, he takes way too many boneheaded penalties and was exposed by Dallas last year in the postseason. He seems to have difficult with fast team, and unlike Chara, he does not have the reach to make up for that. Yes, he's a physical presence on the ice, but the B's don't need another defenseman that takes too many penalties.

All in all, he's a great defenseman. However, he's not the difference maker he was two-three years ago, and it shows in his play. Flame me all you want, I really don't give a damn. I atleast support my arguments.

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Getting Pronger would suggest that.

If he was 2 years younger I jump all over this trade and don't even look back. But he's 34 and that window is VERY small.

If they
Pronger will play until he's 40.

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Bergeron, Stuart, Nokelainen and a 1st for Pronger and Moen. I have a hard time believing Pronger could net Bergeorn AND Colborne. Maybe Hamill or Soderberg?

It feels like Pronger will go to Boston or stay in Anaheim. If Bergeron is dealt, I would like to see another foward come our way whether it be Cole or Tkachuk or Guerin.
what about


ANA: Pronger + Pahlsson

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BOS: Bergeron, Stuart, Colborne, Lashoff, 1st 09 or 10

Boston gets Pronger and an elite shutdown forward for their run at the cup. This trade would make Boston clear favorites in the east this year.

Ana gets assets for a rebuild.

(i posted this earlier but it went largely ignored)

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............read whats being said

on boston he is there 3rd best center right now.


Savard... Who else?

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Pronger will play until he's 40.
He's an unrestricted free agent after next season. With the B's needing to spend money on the youngster, how sure is it that he'll stay? He'll go looking for that last big contract, and the B's won't be able to give it to him because they have money invested in both Chara and Wideman.

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For some reason it's mostly Leafs fans who think this.
OK? Why is that you gotta bring up "Leafs fans" here? It's completely irrelevent to the topic. At the end of the day I could care less what your team does. This is just a discussion buddy, you seem to pull this crap alot.

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8 points in 16 games.



8 points in the last 16 games.
Two things are obvious

1. You haven't been watching the games.

2. You don't want to know about Kessel's goal scoring lately.

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what about


ANA: Pronger + Pahlsson

for

BOS: Bergeron, Stuart, Colborne, Lashoff, 1st 09 or 10

Boston gets Pronger and an elite shutdown forward for their run at the cup. This trade would make Boston clear favorites in the east this year.

Ana gets assets for a rebuild.

(i posted this earlier but it went largely ignored)
is pahlson a left handed shot?

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Pronger will play until he's 40.
He may... But keeping him, CHara, Savard, Krejci, and Kessel under contract would be near impossible.

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Not at all.

I've made my opinions very clear in many threads. I would prefer to get another defenseman.

Why? Here are some reasons:

1) Cap space. His cap hit for next season exceeds Bergeron's, or any other player the Bruins would have to give up. This hurts the B's chances to retain Thomas, Kessel, and Krejci.

2) The B's do not have a need for a high-end defenseman. Not at all. It would be great to have him, but it's not a pressing need like a top-6 forward.

3) I have become less and less impressed with Pronger's play over the past year. Yes, he's still an excellent defenseman. However, he takes way too many boneheaded penalties and was exposed by Dallas last year in the postseason. He seems to have difficult with fast team, and unlike Chara, he does not have the reach to make up for that. Yes, he's a physical presence on the ice, but the B's don't need another defenseman that takes too many penalties.

All in all, he's a great defenseman. However, he's not the difference maker he was two-three years ago, and it shows in his play. Flame me all you want, I really don't give a damn. I atleast support my arguments.
FACT: Any team in the playoffs would love to have Pronger.

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