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[OTT/CBJ] Pascal Leclaire + 2nd round pick for Antoine Vermette

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03-06-2009, 03:37 PM
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You guys are idiots..
its not about "well a 2nd round pick probably wont develeop into anything"

its about VALUE OF A 2ND ROUND PICK. Currently..a second round pick has decent value...thats why so few a traded these days...they get you a mediocre scorerl ike Antropov etc....
Just to throw that in as well as a good young goalie is DEF overpayment for a player that people on here WOULD BARELY GIVE A 3RD FOR LIKE 2 MONTHS AGO!
Ottawa wins this trade.

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03-06-2009, 03:40 PM
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You guys are idiots..
its not about "well a 2nd round pick probably wont develeop into anything"

its about VALUE OF A 2ND ROUND PICK. Currently..a second round pick has decent value...thats why so few a traded these days...they get you a mediocre scorerl ike Antropov etc....
Just to throw that in as well as a good young goalie is DEF overpayment for a player that people on here WOULD BARELY GIVE A 3RD FOR LIKE 2 MONTHS AGO!
Ottawa wins this trade.
Who gives a **** dude. Fans of Columbus are just as happy if not more happy than Ottawa with this trade. I really don't give a rats ass who won the trade because we (Columbus) has the center we (Columbus) have been targeting for a year and a half. I really don't see the point in arguing who won the trade because the way I see it is both teams won. Columbus blows their second rounders anyway so chances are we would have drafted a dud in the second anyway. Instead of calling people idiots you should just go away.

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03-06-2009, 03:56 PM
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hahaha what a first impression from pascal.

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Honestly, I'm just happy that Ottawa finally took a risk to get a legitimate #1 goalie.

I loved Vermette and think he's a more than capable 2nd line center, but he wasn't going to make or break this team. Besides, we already have Fisher in that role, so Vermette had to play out of position most of the time.

The goalie position is much, much more important than a 2nd line C, and Leclaire has the potential to be a pretty damn good #1. Obviously it's a risk, and it may not pan out, but proven #1 guys don't become available very often, so more often than not, if you're trading or signing a goalie, you're taking a risk.

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03-06-2009, 07:26 PM
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As a fan of Ottawa, I really like this trade for both teams. Leclaire could come back completely healthy and kill it, and Columbus badly needed another C. Good hockey deal.

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03-06-2009, 07:44 PM
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According to NHLnumbers.com, Leclair only has a .758M cap hit for the next few years, so it's a fantastic trade by Ottawa!

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According to NHLnumbers.com, Leclair only has a .758M cap hit for the next few years, so it's a fantastic trade by Ottawa!
Maybe for the rest of this year, but Leclaire has a 3.8 cap hit for the next two.

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03-07-2009, 12:09 AM
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According to NHLnumbers.com, Leclair only has a .758M cap hit for the next few years, so it's a fantastic trade by Ottawa!
Where do you see that?

His cap hit starting this year was 2.983

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...LB&season=0809

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I think it was TSN that said yesterday that 29 percent of the picks in the 40-50 range (likely where the new Sens pick will be) since 1996 have played more than 100 NHL games.
That is surprising if true.

Sens last ten 2nd round picks:

Patrick Wiercioch
Ruslan Bashkirov
Kirill Lyamin
Igor Mirnov
Alexei Kaigorodov
Antoine Vermette
Simon Lajeunesse
Mike Fisher
Marc Moro
Stanislav Neckar

So I would guess the average would be about correct.

Still a 70% chance of nothing though

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03-10-2009, 10:25 PM
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I just wanted to say, even though im a bit late to the party, that I believe Ottawa just robbed Columbus blind. I have seen several Vermette games when he has played against Montreal and he is quite ordinary. Leclaire might have a bit of the injury bug (more like injury plague) but he is still a good keeper and the 2nd round pick could turn into a valuable prospect for down the road. Plus this deal makes Leclaire the #1 goalie next year so Ottawa does not have to force Elliot too much.

good deal Ottawa.


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"I know St. Hubert is not really far from across the river."

"Will I get free meals if I keep dropping the name?"

Little known fact....Ottawa is one of only two cities that has both a St Hubert and Swiss Chalet.

The two restauruants have an agreement not to encroach on eachothers territories, but Ottawa and Moncton were grandfathered in.


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I just wanted to say, even though im a bit late to the party, that I believe Ottawa just robbed Columbus blind. I have seen several Vermette games when he has played against Montreal and he is quite ordinary. Leclaire might have a bit of the injury bug (more like injury plague) but he is still a good keeper and the 2nd round pick could turn into a valuable prospect for down the road. Plus this deal makes Leclaire the #1 goalie next year so Ottawa does not have to force Elliot too much.

good deal Ottawa.


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I think Columbus is happy with this trade. Assuming LeClaire can play 50-60 games yearly, both teams win.

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I just wanted to say, even though im a bit late to the party, that I believe Ottawa just robbed Columbus blind. I have seen several Vermette games when he has played against Montreal and he is quite ordinary. Leclaire might have a bit of the injury bug (more like injury plague) but he is still a good keeper and the 2nd round pick could turn into a valuable prospect for down the road. Plus this deal makes Leclaire the #1 goalie next year so Ottawa does not have to force Elliot too much.

good deal Ottawa.


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Given that Vermette had an absolutely fantastic performance tonight against the Bruins, I don't think there was much robbery after all.

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30-Jun-06: Columbus Blue Jackets traded Marc Denis to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Fredrik Modin and Fredrik Norrena.

Anyone else notice the similarities?

Columbus trades their former #1 starting goalie to a team one year removed from going to the Stanley Cup finals, in desperate need for a goalie, for an established second line player.

Columbus wins this trade.

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I just wanted to say, even though im a bit late to the party, that I believe Ottawa just robbed Columbus blind. I have seen several Vermette games when he has played against Montreal and he is quite ordinary. Leclaire might have a bit of the injury bug (more like injury plague) but he is still a good keeper and the 2nd round pick could turn into a valuable prospect for down the road. Plus this deal makes Leclaire the #1 goalie next year so Ottawa does not have to force Elliot too much.

good deal Ottawa.


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I just want to say that unless the Sens really bolster their d corps. they are in for a world of hurt with Pazzy.

He is a full on 'attack' style goalie and since he is attacking the shot, he is not in any kind of position for a redirect or a 2nd chance.

When you are attacking like that, you can't move your feet laterally like he needs to.

I am glad you feel that the jackets got fleeced, because this poster feels like you guys are going to rue the day Murray every made that trade and touted Pazzy as a #1 guy. Vermette already is better than I expected he would be and will only get better. Hitchcock seems to have that affect on players.

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Little known fact....Ottawa is one of only two cities that has both a St Hubert and Swiss Chalet.

The two restauruants have an agreement not to encroach on eachothers territories, but Ottawa and Moncton were grandfathered in.

I didn't know that.

BTW St. Hubert >> Swiss Chalet

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I worded my post too strongly it seems. I just don't think Vermette was very valuable on Ottawa. I was never too impressed by what I had seen from him. I understand that Vermette is younger, but during this same trade deadline Nik Antropov only garnered a 2nd and conditional pick. Given my choice of centres I would probably have chosen the latter. It pains me to choose a leaf, esp since I like a lot of Ottawa's team. All my post was supposed to say is "I don't think Vermette is very good."

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I just want to say that unless the Sens really bolster their d corps. they are in for a world of hurt with Pazzy.

He is a full on 'attack' style goalie and since he is attacking the shot, he is not in any kind of position for a redirect or a 2nd chance.

When you are attacking like that, you can't move your feet laterally like he needs to.
Well won't Ottawa be trying to get a #1 D this summer?
Seems like Murray might actually have plan?
I don't really care since I am a Habs fan, but I hope Ottawa makes quicker turn around than the leafs.

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30-Jun-06: Columbus Blue Jackets traded Marc Denis to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Fredrik Modin and Fredrik Norrena.

Anyone else notice the similarities?

Columbus trades their former #1 starting goalie to a team one year removed from going to the Stanley Cup finals, in desperate need for a goalie, for an established second line player.

Columbus wins this trade.
Columbus wins this trade, because they won the Denis one? Really? That's your argument?

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Well won't Ottawa be trying to get a #1 D this summer?
Seems like Murray might actually have plan?
I don't really care since I am a Habs fan, but I hope Ottawa makes quicker turn around than the leafs.
He is but even if he doesn't land one it won't be a big factor. The D has come back around since Clouston took over and is looking more and more like the solid d'core we had before.

Even if the D stays the exact same next year (Lee/Campolli will both be better most likely and Karlson may make the jump) it is still a better d'core than Leclaire had in front of him when he posted his 9 shutouts, so that point the previous poster made is irrelevant.

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30-Jun-06: Columbus Blue Jackets traded Marc Denis to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Fredrik Modin and Fredrik Norrena.

Anyone else notice the similarities?
I notice similarities in all trade involving a goalie for a skater. The skater's ice time will change relatively slightly depending on the role he plays... but the goalies ice time will vary greatly depending on his role. We're expecting Leclaire to be our starter and play 60 games, but if he becomes our back-up he only plays 20. For that same difference to happen with Vermette, they'd have to be expecting a 20 mins a night 1st liner and get a 6-7 mins a night 4th liner.

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I just want to say that unless the Sens really bolster their d corps. they are in for a world of hurt with Pazzy.
Our defense is better than it has looked, has been improved a lot already with players being moved down into more comfortable roles and some out of the lineup completely.

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I worded my post too strongly it seems. I just don't think Vermette was very valuable on Ottawa. I was never too impressed by what I had seen from him. I understand that Vermette is younger, but during this same trade deadline Nik Antropov only garnered a 2nd and conditional pick. Given my choice of centres I would probably have chosen the latter. It pains me to choose a leaf, esp since I like a lot of Ottawa's team. All my post was supposed to say is "I don't think Vermette is very good."
Vermette and Antropov are similarly talented players, but Antropov got much better ice time on a team that didn't have as much depth. So he got to pad his stats, in a role that he wouldn't play on the majority of teams in the NHL.

Did you ever think that CLB and OTT agreed to a trade for this summer, but CLB pushed for the deal to be done now... so CLB ended up paying the rental price (2nd rounder) because Leclaire wasn't playing?

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Well won't Ottawa be trying to get a #1 D this summer?
Seems like Murray might actually have plan?
I don't really care since I am a Habs fan, but I hope Ottawa makes quicker turn around than the leafs.
No.

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He is but even if he doesn't land one it won't be a big factor. The D has come back around since Clouston took over and is looking more and more like the solid d'core we had before.

Even if the D stays the exact same next year (Lee/Campolli will both be better most likely and Karlson may make the jump) it is still a better d'core than Leclaire had in front of him when he posted his 9 shutouts, so that point the previous poster made is irrelevant.
Exactly

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Given that Vermette had an absolutely fantastic performance tonight against the Bruins, I don't think there was much robbery after all.
This might be the only trade that I actually want both sides to win. Vermette is a great piece to have, Leclaire should be good, I can only see benefits to both teams.

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30-Jun-06: Columbus Blue Jackets traded Marc Denis to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Fredrik Modin and Fredrik Norrena.

Anyone else notice the similarities?

Columbus trades their former #1 starting goalie to a team one year removed from going to the Stanley Cup finals, in desperate need for a goalie, for an established second line player.

Columbus wins this trade.
June 24, 2000: Bryan Murray traded Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha to the New York Islanders for Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo.

Anyone else notice the similarities?

The same guy traded for a top 10 drafted goalie, both were the highest goalies drafted for their year, and both were made expendable because the team they left had a another promising goalkeeper in the system.

Ottawa wins this trade.

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