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03-04-2009, 11:08 AM
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imo he'll easily replace Gio next season

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imo he'll easily replace Gio next season
I don't know if it will be easily, but I think he could do it. It depends if Lou and Brent have faith in him, or at least more faith than they had in him this year.

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03-04-2009, 11:20 AM
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Hindsight is 20/20

But for those that wanted Oshie now let me say that he was NOT supposed to be a 1st round pick. He was not even in the arena when the blues called him name. Almost everyone felt that they reached for him.

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Hindsight is always nice. At the time, Oshie was considered a bit off the board. The Blues also had Berglund in their top 10 and were trying desperately to trade up and secure him. If anything, major kudos to their scouting staff led by Jarmo Kekalainen.

Not sure if it's still online, but there is a really great hour long behind the scenes video with the Blues leading up/during the 2007 Draft. Definitely an interesting look to see how they weigh in everybody's opinion--their GM actually looks like an innocent bystander throughout the process. In particular, one of their scouts was adamant that he didn't like David Perron.

But yeah, still think this is more a case of "great job St. Louis" rather than "Conte and company are idiots."

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I'm not disappointed with the Corrente pick at all. He is going to be the man.

I wanted us to take Oshie at the draft and I stand by that still. He is sick.

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03-04-2009, 12:13 PM
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the devils could have snagged Corrente in the 3rd or 4th round.
You could say the Blues could have waited to snag Ian Cole in 2007 as well, but they actually traded up to get him. You never know. Most people were a bit puzzled when the Wild drafted Brent Burns 20th in 2003 when he seemed like a mid-late 2nd rounder.

A team spends a lot of money and scouts spend a lot of time to create their final draft rankings. If they liked Corrente that much, they have to go with it even if the "consensus" is that he'd be available later.

Just be glad that our scouts didn't rank Hugh Jessiman the 4th best prospect in the 2003 Draft.

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03-05-2009, 07:43 AM
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New rule: Unless you criticize a draft pick on draft day, you are not allowed to criticize it several years later.
Frankly, the most buzz on draft day from the Bergfors pick was the 800 or so posters who kept parroting "Berg-fors = Fors-berg!"

Can he still make it? Sure. How has his progress been? Slow, but he was super-young when he started. It just seems like he's been around forever. As for the Elias comparison, he's not near where Elias was. Elias was in his first full NHL season when 21, which is how old Bergfors is now. And Elias had basically two PPG seasons in the AHL at 19 and 20, which Bergfors hasn't come close to matching. That's not a condemnation of Nick, but just more affirmation that he has a lot of work to do.

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Still too early to say about Corrente. If he hits his ceiling, being a defenseman, than he could be more valuable than Berglund.

As for Oshie? Well, he's the better NHL player right now... and is poised to continue as such. Bergfors isn't done yet. Lets let Bergfors have legitimate icetime in the NHL for a couple of games before we tear him down.

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1. Can he still make it? Sure. How has his progress been? Slow, but he was super-young when he started. It just seems like he's been around forever.

2. As for the Elias comparison, he's not near where Elias was. Elias was in his first full NHL season when 21, which is how old Bergfors is now.

3. And Elias had basically two PPG seasons in the AHL at 19 and 20, which Bergfors hasn't come close to matching. That's not a condemnation of Nick, but just more affirmation that he has a lot of work to do.
You make 3 claims that I disagree with:
1. Bergfors' progress is not slow - he is just about to turn 22, that is pretty amazing, he got injured, that did slow things down a bit, but he's doing awesome now.

2. Elias cracked a line-up that had Holik as our top scoring forward in 1997/8. Bergfors would have to Tonya Harding someone to crack our lineup right now. You can't say he isn't where Elias was, he's in a completely different situation. (If our team was depleted of scoring forwards as it was when Elias and Sykora came up, Bergfors would've stayed in the line-up). He's going to have a lot more experience when he does crack the Devils line-up, and I bet he'll put up some good numbers (better than Zubrus) when he does make it next season. I'm assuming we'll have a winger slot opened for him when Shanny leaves; and more if we don't resign Gionta.

3. Bergfors hasn't had the benefit of playing on an AHL team with Steve Sullivan, Petr Sykora, Sheldon Souray, Sergei Brylin, Steve Brule, etc. He has done a good job on what has been a depleted and crappy AHL team compared to the AHL team Elias was on. This season there is finally some talent on that team; we've got a whole crop of forwards down there much like we did back in the late 90s. It's very exciting times once again on every level.

Conclusion/Prediction:

Bergfors will be on the team next season and he will do well. If I'm wrong then I will never talk about our farm system ever again.

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03-06-2009, 07:23 AM
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WhoaWhoaWhoa....

Bergfors has aquitted himself great this year. Here's is info from hockeydb.

Nicklas Bergfors R 46 15 24 39 10 1 1987-03-07 21 Sodertalje, Sweden 5.11 190

I think every team in the NHL would like to have a 21-year old leading their AHL team in PPG.

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If I remember correctly Oshie was considered a pretty big reach for where he was taken. And as someone said earlier in the thread, we had just drafted Parise(drafted as a center) and Zajac, so it would have been kind of silly to draft four centers in a row in the first round. St. Louis desereves credit for their drafting those years and Bergfors and Corrente still have NHL potential so let's not jump off the ship yet.

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While we're fantasizing, I've often thought it would have been nice for the Devs to have an all Sioux line--Parise, Zajac, and Oshie (or Toews). Oshie and Zach are similar in their work ethic and in the passion for the game they bring every night. What a relentless line that would have been . . .

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To me Oshie wasn't a reach cause I really liked UND back then for obvious reasons.

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not for nothing but St. Louis has to bring these kids up to the big club. The difference between New Jersey and St. Louis is night and day. Being a consistent organization allows us the ability to draft kids and let them develop at their rate. Bergfors will do either be a part of our nucleus going down the road or be used in some sort of transaction to strengthen the team. Corrente will be just like the current incarnation of defensemen in NJ, solid, solid, solid.

If were splitting hairs about prospects, we must be having a good season.

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not for nothing but St. Louis has to bring these kids up to the big club. The difference between New Jersey and St. Louis is night and day. Being a consistent organization allows us the ability to draft kids and let them develop at their rate. Bergfors will do either be a part of our nucleus going down the road or be used in some sort of transaction to strengthen the team. Corrente will be just like the current incarnation of defensemen in NJ, solid, solid, solid.

If were splitting hairs about prospects, we must be having a good season.
Well put.

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nice post Al.

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nice post Al.
Would you expect any less? He's a sports archaeologist.

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Would you expect any less? He's a sports archaeologist.
I should've known.

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not for nothing but St. Louis has to bring these kids up to the big club. The difference between New Jersey and St. Louis is night and day. Being a consistent organization allows us the ability to draft kids and let them develop at their rate. Bergfors will do either be a part of our nucleus going down the road or be used in some sort of transaction to strengthen the team. Corrente will be just like the current incarnation of defensemen in NJ, solid, solid, solid.

If were splitting hairs about prospects, we must be having a good season.
All that said, Bergfors and Corrente will never come close to being half the hockey player that Hugh Jessimen is.

I heard that if you draw a picture of Hugh Jessimen, Muslims will try to kill you.

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I really dont wish to join this conversation, but I would point out the logic utilized in the OP is bizarre and best.

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not for nothing but St. Louis has to bring these kids up to the big club. The difference between New Jersey and St. Louis is night and day. Being a consistent organization allows us the ability to draft kids and let them develop at their rate. Bergfors will do either be a part of our nucleus going down the road or be used in some sort of transaction to strengthen the team. Corrente will be just like the current incarnation of defensemen in NJ, solid, solid, solid.

If were splitting hairs about prospects, we must be having a good season.
God damnit Al, you make a rare appearance and then go and say something thoughtful and quite accurate. You've just completely ****ing ruined my Saturday. hahahah

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Hey guys, just wanted your input on Matt Correntes potential in the New Jersey Devils uniform???
.. you see , he is my buddy's first cousin(i live in the suburbs of toronto) and he always use to talk about how his cousin played hockey and was an overall ferocious player, it was not untill i saw Matt on Youtube that i actually believed him.. My buddy says his cousin had some anger issues playing in the OHL..lol

Anyways.. will he make the jump to the NHL soon? and what kind of impact do you guys think he'll have? Appreciate it!

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Hey guys, just wanted your input on Matt Correntes potential in the New Jersey Devils uniform???
.. you see , he is my buddy's first cousin(i live in the suburbs of toronto) and he always use to talk about how his cousin played hockey and was an overall ferocious player, it was not untill i saw Matt on Youtube that i actually believed him.. My buddy says his cousin had some anger issues playing in the OHL..lol

Anyways.. will he make the jump to the NHL soon? and what kind of impact do you guys think he'll have? Appreciate it!
We're excited about his potential. He could very well be in our lineup to start next season. We're thinking 2nd pairing guy with a mean streak and some offensive upside, like Bieksa.

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