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03-12-2009, 06:40 PM
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Slightly OT: A's may be moving to San Jose; effect on Sharks?

This is interesting. The Oakland A's of MLB are looking into relocating to San Jose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29636964

This would give San Jose its second major pro franchise.

Wonder what sort of effect it would have on the Sharks. Maybe none, since one is a winter sport and the other a summer sport.

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The two ownership groups are lightly linked via the Earthquakes, so there won't be a bitter marketing war. Plus, the seasons don't overlap much.

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One effect would be on the sponsors. Some might leave Sharks for As (more exposure). Some might cut back on Sharks to add As to list.

Also, there might be some East Bay/Oakland sponsors the stop participation all together.


In addition, some fans would change their allegiance from Sharks/NHL to MLB/As. (Not to mention some fans would drop the Giants for the As.)


This is an extremely preliminary thing as the SJ City Council is only formulating possible plans to contact As, MLB regarding possible move.

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what happened to the freemont plan?

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what happened to the freemont plan?
Opposition from businesses and neighborhood groups near the two Fremont sites that the A's were considering caused Wolff to give up and explore other options.

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_11774221

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Oakland A's owner: Fremont is out

Matthew Artz
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Posted: 02/24/2009 10:28:53 AM PST

The Oakland A's slammed the door on any move to Fremont today, citing strong opposition to both of their stadium proposals.

"I have concluded that further consideration of the A's relocating to Fremont must cease," team co-owner Lew Wolff wrote in a letter sent to city officials today.

Wolff's announcement has been expected since last week when he halted the environmental process needed for approve a future stadium either adjacent to the Pacific Commons shopping center west of Interstate 880, or between interstates 680 and 880 near the New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. plant.

The A's first targeted the Pacific Commons area south of Auto Mall Parkway, but ran into opposition from the center's three largest retailers, who feared the ballpark would cause traffic and parking problems.

The team then focused on a second site, about 1.5 miles to the southeast, adjacent to a planned BART station on the edge of the city's Warm Springs District. But that plan encountered stiff resistance from NUMMI, the city's largest employer, as well as from nearby residents, who threatened to file lawsuits to hold up stadium construction or put approval of the stadium to citywide vote.

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Alameda county doesn't deserve a pro sports franchise of any sort.

However I expect the Giants to strongly oppose this move.

The A's might find more acceptance in Contra Costa County in the Pleasanton area. Could still be close to the BART, cheaper land. Lots of corporate head offices in San Ramon, Pleasanton and Livermore.

San Jose usually aligns with the west side of the Bay (49ers, Giants, Stanford) versus East Bay (Raiders, A's, Cal). Most of the MLB fans I know in Santa Clara County are Giants fans (maybe after Stanford).

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If one in San Jose didn't already follow Giants or A's, they won't follow them even when A's arrive to San jose.

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However I expect the Giants to strongly oppose this move.
The Giants may strongly oppose this move - but it's not up to them. It's really up to Bud Selig.

The Giants territorial rights to Santa Clara County were only granted by MLB in 1992 - preceding a failed 1992 election to bring the Giants to San Jose.

What MLB gave, MLB may take away - and a letter from Selig to Wolff implied that he would be willing to do just that if the A's efforts in Fremont proved fruitless:

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"I have decided that in the event you are not able to promptly assure the implementation of the desired park in Fremont, you may begin to discuss a ballpark with other communities."

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This is interesting. The Oakland A's of MLB are looking into relocating to San Jose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29636964

This would give San Jose its second major pro franchise.

Wonder what sort of effect it would have on the Sharks. Maybe none, since one is a winter sport and the other a summer sport.
Probably little effect, but honestly the Sharks suffer because of the amount of pro sports teams in the bay area. If this market was a one team per major pro sports league region, the Sharks wouldn't have it so bad in their never ending quest to become relevant in the Bay Area sports landscape.

Ideally the Raiders (or Niners) and A's would move out of this market leaving only one NFL, one MLB, one NBA, and NHL team in this market. That would help the Sharks because there would be less teams fighting for attention and money of fans.

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If one in San Jose didn't already follow Giants or A's, they won't follow them even when A's arrive to San jose.
Partially true.

However, the question would not be about following, but about actually going to the games. Right now, I live in Cupertino, and as an A's fan it's a chore to go up to Oakland to watch games. You've got to either drive about an hour on 880 (anyone from the bay knows that=hell), or drive to Fremont and then take BART. Move the team to SJ though, and you have all the businesses in Silicon Valley that would support them (possibly to the detriment of the Sharks, as LS pointed out), along with the ~1.5MM people in the South Bay that don't have a Summer sport to follow within a half-hour drive. So, it might not CREATE fans (though I'm sure it would), but it would probably lead to a strong gain in attendance, and probably convert some South Bay Giants fans over to the Green and Gold

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To extrapolate a point above....

While it's true that there is little overlap of seasons between NHL and MLB, there is a limited pool of sponsorship $$s for pro teams in the region.

Organizations may choose to decrease or eliminate spending on the Sharks as sponsors for moving $$s to support a "local" MLB team.


Good for the ego, not as much for the pocket book.


FWIW, all the major pro teams (Sharks, MLB As, MLB Giants, NFL 49ers, NFL Raiders, NBA Warriors) work together with HS college scholarships. (Blanking on the name of the thing; perhaps "Bay Area All Stars".)

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http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=271087

Looks like Vancouver will be getting a MLS expansion team. Depending on the local market for soccer, it may have a small to medium impact on corporate STH and sponsorships for the Canucks.

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For what it's worth, the Capitals and Nationals (MLB) have done a lot of promotions together since the Nationals came to DC, although that is probably because the majority owner of the Nationals has a minority stake in the Capitals.

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I think the A's should consider moving to Sacramento. It's one of the biggest markets without an MLB team and the AAA RiverCats have had the highest attendance in the minors each of the last 9 years.

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There is worry about limited sponsership revenue from business, but I dont think it's a problem because there are so many high-tech businesses, that have lots of money in the bay area. I havnt seen apple or ebay advertise with the local sports teams yet. There are many others. But, I still dont like the move to San Jose, yet. I dont think the infastructure of the city has caught up for another team. BART doesnt even run in San Jose, which means there would be aloooot of traffic.

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