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[NYR/TOR] Antropov to Rangers for 2nd + conditional 2010 pick

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03-07-2009, 03:15 PM
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Brian Burke also said that he was initially asking for, and hoping to get, a first round pick.



There's nothing wrong with saying "I told you so". If you're right about something you've earned the right to gloat.

But it's not okay to create the myth that the majority of Leaf fans were expecting a 1st round pick plus a prospect to try and make Leaf fans look like idiots.
Of course no one can say majority, there are probably tons that don't even post on HFboards. But I'll bet you that most of the antropov trade threads in the past year have more leaf fans saying he is worth a first round pick than saying he is worth a 2nd.

Also, you are blowing things out of proportion. People came in to get a little bit of vindication, a bit of "I told you so, I was right." But not everyone came in to make leaf fans look like idiots. "Some" leaf fans do that by themselves, they don't need any help.

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03-07-2009, 04:08 PM
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Some Islanders fans expected 2nd round picks and some younger players for Guerin. Returns were no where near they have been in the past, so get off the Leaf bashing.


http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...+guerin&page=7

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03-07-2009, 07:57 PM
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there's no doubt in my mind that any other year he WOULD have gotten a 1st rounder. Im not saying that's what he's worth, but he definitely would've gotten that any other year. Hockey economics are brutally ****ed up right now.

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03-08-2009, 12:43 PM
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After 6 months of Leaf fans' filth over saturating this forum with bloated expectations and condescending opinions, I will admit, this turn of events was quite satisfying.
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Did I say majority? I was simply highlighting some of the comments include some of the most obnoxious who for months told us we were stupid suggesting he wasn't getting a first rounder. If you aren't in that group, you have nothing to be offended by.
So the first post wasn't addressed toward all leaf fans? We have some crazy homers who drive up what some of our guys are, but, are you any better by rubbing it in our collective faces over what a few of our crazies said(and then carrying on quoting random people from a few different fan bases and some posts not even indicative of the bash you're trying to get across.)? You know why most of our crazies roam the main boards? Because most normal leaf fans won't tolerate them on our own board. So, yes, some of us were expecting a first rounder coming back our way(a late first, instead we got a mid second, so 15-20 spots lower then our hopes). He was on pace for 60 points this season with us, not horrible considering the rag tag group he played with. I know, being a leaf fan automatically removes my ability to form a decent opinion and must submit to A)the crazies of other fan bases or B)the snarky ones from other fan bases who lack the ability to block out trolls/homers. Truly it is a dark day to be a leaf fan. How dare we have such a huge fan base that our crazies population is bigger then some entire teams fan base. I know! Let's hold it against ALL leaf fans! Curse them for our inability to recognize crazies and ignore them! To ARMS!

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03-08-2009, 12:48 PM
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there's no doubt in my mind that any other year he WOULD have gotten a 1st rounder. Im not saying that's what he's worth, but he definitely would've gotten that any other year. Hockey economics are brutally ****ed up right now.
How is the economy and issue in this case? He's a UFA at the end of the season.

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03-08-2009, 01:36 PM
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Some leaf fans would have still tried to find a way to convince people that his negotiation rights are worth a 1st. (think Hartnell+Timonen, Malone, etc).


why dont you find me a quote of a leaf fan that thinks antropov's right is worth a 1st rounder?

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So, why is his nickname Tron?

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03-08-2009, 02:11 PM
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3 pts in 2 games. 1st star today. He's so terrible.

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How is the economy and issue in this case? He's a UFA at the end of the season.
In a struggling economy, teams will make less $$$ and the cap goes down. The cap going down makes it tough because many teams carry big contracts and will need young talent @ a cheap price to fill roster spots. Case in point, only one 1st rounder was traded at the deadline.

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So, why is his nickname Tron?
LOL, I made it up when he got traded, I like it

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Leafs get unlucky with a TDD that is affected by the economy. When will God do us a favour?

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LOL, I made it up when he got traded, I like it
I'm not sure I get it.

But I'll go with it

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In a struggling economy, teams will make less $$$ and the cap goes down. The cap going down makes it tough because many teams carry big contracts and will need young talent @ a cheap price to fill roster spots. Case in point, only one 1st rounder was traded at the deadline.
Still don't see the connection. The fact that only one 1st rounder was traded means that teams weren't offering first. Don't see how that's an economy thing.

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Still don't see the connection. The fact that only one 1st rounder was traded means that teams weren't offering first. Don't see how that's an economy thing.
He couldn't have spelled it out more clearly for you. Teams need to now more then ever ensure they have cheap contracts on the books. The Rangers more then most. Moving your first hurts your ability to do that down the road.

So what do you guys think of Antropov now? Do you get an idea at least of why we leafs fans said he was worth a first?

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He couldn't have spelled it out more clearly for you. Teams need to now more then ever ensure they have cheap contracts on the books. The Rangers more then most. Moving your first hurts your ability to do that down the road.

So what do you guys think of Antropov now? Do you get an idea at least of why we leafs fans said he was worth a first?
I understand what he's saying. I just don't agree with it.

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His nick name is Big Nik. We have Little Nik (Zherdev) and Big Nik

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Still don't see the connection. The fact that only one 1st rounder was traded means that teams weren't offering first. Don't see how that's an economy thing.
there is definitely a connection, teams have decided to invest in younger, cheaper talent, and these first round picks most of them won't have to bepaid for a few years

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there is definitely a connection, teams have decided to invest in younger, cheaper talent, and these first round picks most of them won't have to bepaid for a few years
Neither do second round picks.

My point is I see this as more of a cap issue than a sign of the economy.

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My Question is, how do the Ranger fans feel about Nik Antropov so far from what they seen of him?

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My Question is, how do the Ranger fans feel about Nik Antropov so far from what they seen of him?
His hands are better than I expected.

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Neither do second round picks. My point is I see this as more of a cap issue than a sign of the economy.
2nd rounders arent as likely to play next year.

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Easily the best deal of the deadline.

Good work, Slats.

Now watch Drury explode in scoring, just like all of Nik;'s centres do.

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Us Toronto fans always overrate our players. That explains why everyone suddenly loves them when they're no longer Leafs and are one of the better players on their new team.

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My Question is, how do the Ranger fans feel about Nik Antropov so far from what they seen of him?
Im happy with him so far...he scored today and has a couple of points already.

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How is the economy and issue in this case? He's a UFA at the end of the season.
Exactly. Look at seasons past; plenty of UFAs similar to Antropov got 1st rounders. However the monetary climate in the NHL is shifting so that teams are far more reluctant to go out-of-house for talent since the cap is coming down. If you grow them yourself, it's subsequently cheaper to employ the services of players. General managers are now far less willing to part with their 1st-rounders because they know that in 2-3 years time they could have a bright young star for under $1 million per as opposed to a similarly talented player asking for several million more.

This is basic hockey economics, it's not hard. Im not talking the general macroeconomic level of discussion here, im talking about the microcosm of hockey economics in specific. In Antropov's case, though, i'll admit that his cap hit is low and isn't as much as a factor as this year's deadline simply being ******. General managers are being totally jewish right now with their picks--they've realized how important the draft is in the post-lockout era of the NHL. Im still opposed to the salary cap in some ways....GMs shot themselves in the foot. If they made a way to prevent teams from simply purchasing playoff berths through free agents and trades without having a cap, it would be much better imo. Now GMs are severely handicapped in building teams, which is why growing talent in-house is the new precedent.

The funniest thing about it is i guarantee you Rangers fans are going to begin to really like Antropov. The goofy Kazakh is just too lovable a guy and player to not want him on your team. He's no difference-maker, but definitely an asset. I really hope the Leafs can resign him in the summer.

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