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03-06-2009, 08:41 AM
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Well that depends....
  • Do you think sitting out team veterens on a consistant basis (when they are playing well even) is a great idea?
  • Do you think a good coach does that consistantly without even speaking to the player or explaining why?
  • Do you think playing snipers on the 4th line is a good strategic move?
  • Do you think playing defensemen on the 1st line is a good tactical decision?
  • Do you think sending out 4th line grinders to take an important face off in the other team's end, with 30 seconds to go, while one goal down is a good idea?
  • Do you think not calling a timeout while taking a faceoff in the other teams end, while a goal down, is a good move?
  • Do you think leaving a young goalie with a fragile psyche in goal to be scored on for 5 goals, 6 goals, 7 goals and 5 goals on respective nights will help him play with greater confidence?
  • Do you think blasting your best and hardest working players in the open media on a NIGHTLY basis is going to help bond the team to you?
  • Do you think having a policy of not speaking to your own players is a good way to open the lines of communication?
If that's your idea of a great coach then yeah I guess he's alright, because he's done all of the above on a consistant basis.

Fact is no one is saying that everything is his fault, and he does have a system in place. He's just not a very good coach is all. He does not treat his veterans with respect, he doesn't really know how to make proper lines. He's not much of a tactician, and he's got an inexplicable aversion to communicating with his players for some reason.
From a tactical stand point, the players have left the coaching staff little options as to the lines, time on ice etc.. Leaving Price in was a tough choice but you can clearly see the logic behind doing it, his team mates needed to step up and help him out. Carbo does not go out on the ice during games. We employ the same basic strategy of last season which saw success the only difference this year is the effort of the players is lacking. The team plays like stars at he beginning of the season and are rewarded by the fans and voted into the ASG. They come back and suck, nice.

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03-06-2009, 08:42 AM
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I spend some time on here and I have not read anything about the players saying they cannot communicate with the coach, although I would like to get some insight into this, could you help me out with some links.
Kovalev, Bégin, Dandenault and now Tanguay have made remarks concerning Carbo's lack of communication with his players.

While the Tanguay thing might be harder to understand, it clearly shows lack of communication when the player and coach say two completely different things concerning his return.

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03-06-2009, 08:45 AM
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Finishing 1st a year and 5th the year after out of 15 teams is good. I'm still happy with the way the team is becomming.

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03-06-2009, 08:48 AM
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Finishing 1st a year and 5th the year after out of 15 teams is good. I'm still happy with the way the team is becomming.
We'll see if we finish 5th, but if we do its not too bad considering the amount of injuries we suffered to key players.

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03-06-2009, 08:50 AM
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Finishing 1st a year and 5th the year after out of 15 teams is good. I'm still happy with the way the team is becomming.
The season doesn't end tonight I'm afraid.

I'm actually very afraid.

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Just can't believe what had happened with Tanguay yesterday...Carbo implying as if Tanguay was the one taking himself out of the lineup, Tanguay saying he's just respecting what the doctors said...

From what Tanguay already said about his icetime earlier in the year, if anybody is still wondering if Tanguay will be back next year....
That's crazy...

This is what drives me crazy about Guy. He has too much to say at all the worng times (chirping at refs) and not enough to say when it's needed (like sticking up for his players).

Lets send Guy to team building training.

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Need I remind you that the one year Carbonneau was succesful, Michel Therrien's Penguins went to the SCF and he got canned this season.

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Kovalev, Bégin, Dandenault and now Tanguay have made remarks concerning Carbo's lack of communication with his players.

While the Tanguay thing might be harder to understand, it clearly shows lack of communication when the player and coach say two completely different things concerning his return.
Not to mention Samsonov, Rivet and Ryder.

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03-06-2009, 08:59 AM
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The season doesn't end tonight I'm afraid.

I'm actually very afraid.
Of what?

Habs need 9 wins out of 18 games to go in the playoffs.

They play against Thrashers (twice), Islanders (twice), Senators (twice), Lightning (once). Also Toronto, NYR, Oilers.

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Look, he phail to put AK46 with his brother. Look at Vignault and the Sedins.

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Habs need 9 wins out of 18 games to go in the playoffs.

They play against Thrashers (twice), Islanders (twice), Senators (twice), Lightning (once). Also Toronto, NYR, Oilers.
We haven't been significantly better than any of those teams in the past few months. Don't be surprised if we lose more than half of those games.

Plus the Sabres and the Hurricanes are only 4 points behind us and the Panthers, the Rangers and the Penguins are only 1 point behind. It wouldn't take much for us to drop to 9th or 10th place.

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03-06-2009, 09:19 AM
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Just can't believe what had happened with Tanguay yesterday...Carbo implying as if Tanguay was the one taking himself out of the lineup, Tanguay saying he's just respecting what the doctors said...

From what Tanguay already said about his icetime earlier in the year, if anybody is still wondering if Tanguay will be back next year....
Another UFA we gonna loose at the end of the season...

Bégin, Dandenault, Laraque, Tanguay.... Even Latendresse... So Carbo "loves" his fellow Quebecers ?

And he lacks communication with them, even if it is in his own language.

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We haven't been significantly better than any of those teams in the past few months. Don't be surprised if we lose more than half of those games.

Plus the Sabres and the Hurricanes are only 4 points behind us and the Panthers, the Rangers and the Penguins are only 1 point behind. It wouldn't take much for us to drop to 9th or 10th place.
Right now, this team deserves that.


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03-06-2009, 09:25 AM
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Carbo is the same coach he was last season . His system is the same .

Carbo isn't the problem . There are 3 problem with this team ;

a) Plekanec having a very bad season
B) The fact that there weren't a veteran back up to Price
c) The 3 amigos Higgins, Price and SKostitsyn more interested by the night life than by the hockey . Their poor performances on the ice is the main reason why the Habs are where they are .

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03-06-2009, 09:29 AM
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Well, any knowledgeable hockey specialist will tell you that if a team wins, it's because of the players, and if it loses, it's because of the coach.

Last year, we had a responsible goaltender between the pipes. The GM though it was better to leave the net to a partyman kid. We now have the result. It's clear that Carbonneau is responsible for that.

Last year, our PP was working great, and it was because we not only had Markov at the point, but also Streit. Gainey thought he could replace Streit with Tanguay: it failed. But trully, again, I am sure there is a way to put it on Carbonneau shoulders.

Don't take the time to post such a comment here. The board is filled with ignorant hockey fanatics that will take any opportunity to do some Quebecois bashing.

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Of what?

Habs need 9 wins out of 18 games to go in the playoffs.

They play against Thrashers (twice), Islanders (twice), Senators (twice), Lightning (once). Also Toronto, NYR, Oilers.
Unfortunately, the games that should be "gimmes" are no more....this year's Habs have demonstrated a penchant for losing games against weaker teams....and the Habs will be playing under pressure, whereas the Isles, Thrasers, Sens and Lightning will be playing with none.....just the spoiler role.

Habs should make it....but I'm not nearly as confident as I used to be.

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03-06-2009, 09:31 AM
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Carbo is the same coach he was last season . His system is the same .

Carbo isn't the problem . There are 3 problem with this team ;

a) Plekanec having a very bad season
B) The fact that there weren't a veteran back up to Price
c) The 3 amigos Higgins, Price and SKostitsyn more interested by the night life than by the hockey . Their poor performances on the ice is the main reason why the Habs are where they are .
You're right. He did not learn from his mistakes.


On the other hand, Gainey did not provide the right horses to his coaching staff. As someone wrote, trading Huet and loosing Streit (and Ryder) was a real drawback.

Injuries + off ice behaviour did not help...

But, that was exactly a great test to see how good he was as a coach. We have our answer now.

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Carbo is the same coach he was last season . His system is the same .

Carbo isn't the problem . There are 3 problem with this team ;

a) Plekanec having a very bad season
B) The fact that there weren't a veteran back up to Price
c) The 3 amigos Higgins, Price and SKostitsyn more interested by the night life than by the hockey . Their poor performances on the ice is the main reason why the Habs are where they are .
Plekanec not having a good season as the first reason why this team is not doing well? Come on, open your eyes please... look at who is making money on this team: there the ones to point in the first place. Aliocha, without his easy points on the PP has 27 points this season. I would expect more from a "star"...

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You're right. He did not learn from his mistakes.


On the other hand, Gainey did not provide the right horses to his coaching staff. As someone wrote, trading Huet and loosing Streit (and Ryder) was a real drawback.

Injuries + off ice behaviour did not help...

But, that was exactly a great test to see how good he was as a coach. We have our answer now.
Sure. Let's take Craig Hartsburg.

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Plekanec was our first center last season . This has nothing to do with his salary . Look how good he's playing lately . That's the kind of performances he should have gave from the begining of the season .

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Carbo is the same coach he was last season . His system is the same .

Carbo isn't the problem . There are 3 problem with this team ;

a) Plekanec having a very bad season
B) The fact that there weren't a veteran back up to Price
c) The 3 amigos Higgins, Price and SKostitsyn more interested by the night life than by the hockey . Their poor performances on the ice is the main reason why the Habs are where they are .
Where is the proof of this?

You know, this whole partytime BS is getting annoying. Nobody has provided any proof of this aside from some pictures from the offseason. It's Jean Perron's word over everyone else's.

You do know that the team has a curfew on nights before games right? It's not like they are getting shmammered every night.

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Last year, our PP was working great, and it was because we not only had Markov at the point, but also Streit. Gainey thought he could replace Streit with Tanguay: it failed. But trully, again, I am sure there is a way to put it on Carbonneau shoulders.

Don't take the time to post such a comment here. The board is filled with ignorant hockey fanatics that will take any opportunity to do some Quebecois bashing.
Actually, it's quite easy to put this on Carbo's shoulders seeing as it was HIS idea to put Tanguay at the point.

And your second paragraph there is LOLZ

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Where is the proof of this?

You know, this whole partytime BS is getting annoying. Nobody has provided any proof of this aside from some pictures from the offseason. It's Jean Perron's word over everyone else's.

You do know that the team has a curfew on nights before games right? It's not like they are getting shmammered every night.

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Carbo's biggest problem is that he can't communicate.

Guillame Latendresse
Alex Kovalev
George Laraque
Steve Begin
Mathieu Dandenault
Alex Tanguay

Atleast once this year these guys have misunderstood what Carbo said to them, or Carbo didn't even talk to them.

When you can't communicate with your players, you'll have a HARDER time at getting them to understand you, to want to play for you as well. Last year, we were winning so it was much less important for Carbo to be a communicater.. the boys just did their things.

I don't want to see Carbo fired, because well he could very well be realy good.. but he needs to work on the little things, because that's the biggest problem.

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03-06-2009, 10:11 AM
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I'm sorry. You're right. I should take Jean Perron's words as gospel and instead ignore what Ryder, Samsonov, Rivet, Kovalev, Dandenault, Begin, Laraque, and others have said about Carbo being a piss poor communicator. Because those guys are just trying to make a names for themselves and Jean Perron is already very relevant today.

How could I be so naive!!!!???!?!?!?!!

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Carbo's biggest problem is that he can't communicate.

Guillame Latendresse
Alex Kovalev
George Laraque
Steve Begin
Mathieu Dandenault
Alex Tanguay

Atleast once this year these guys have misunderstood what Carbo said to them, or Carbo didn't even talk to them.

When you can't communicate with your players, you'll have a HARDER time at getting them to understand you, to want to play for you as well. Last year, we were winning so it was much less important for Carbo to be a communicater.. the boys just did their things.

I don't want to see Carbo fired, because well he could very well be realy good.. but he needs to work on the little things, because that's the biggest problem.
Blaming Carbo's communication skills is the "kewl" thing to do recently. I wonder if Bowman, Burns or others were better communicators.

A coach has few ways to communicate with his players - and words are on the last place on the list.

He communicates through:
- practices
- TOI and PP TOI
- line combinations.

Carbonneau does not have to justify himself to Bégin, Dandenault ou Laraque. You don't go explaining to a 4th liner why he is not playing. As Scotty Bowman said "he would not understand it anyway". You can't tell him "you're not playing cause you're not skating fast enough and you're scoring abilities are abysmal and you are a defensive liability and I have better (and younger) options".

If the player does not understand why he is benched - something is wrong with him.

As for Tanguay - I think that's a misunderstanding blown out of proportions by (you guessed) French media. They both said basically the same thing - that there is a general OK from the doctor and it was up to Tanguay's subjective feeling of being OK. Which makes sense. Alex wants to play as fast as possible (why wouldn't he) and Carbo needs him. It was sickening to see Villeneuve and his bunch jumping on this info and turning it into "news".

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If the player does not understand why he is benched - something is wrong with him.
Not if he doesn't know what his role is. And seeing how a guy like Begin has played on every single line with every single player, I don't exactly blame him for being a little confused on what his role might be.

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