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Top 15 Finnish NHL players of All Time

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03-10-2009, 04:15 PM
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Top 15 Finnish NHL players of All Time

1] Jari Kurri
2] Teemu Selänne
3a] Teppo Numminen
3b] Saku Koivu
5] Miikka Kiprusoff
6] Jere Lehtinen
7] Kimmo Timonen
8] Reijo Ruotsalainen
9] Olli Jokinen
10] Esa Tikkanen
11] Jyrki Lumme
12] Sami Kapanen
13] Petri Skriko
14] Christian Ruuttu
15] Ilkka Sinisalo

never seen Skriko, Ruuttu or Sinisalo playing... can't put them to right place..

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03-10-2009, 04:18 PM
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Skriko should be higher than Jokinen. He was the offensive force behind the Canucks for a while.

Sami Salo should make the list ahead of Christian Ruuttu, but I'm not familiar enough with too many Finnish players to make an assertion that either Salo or Ruuttu should be on the list in the first place.

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03-10-2009, 04:30 PM
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Esa Tikkanen >>>>> Olli Jokinen

I'd probably bump him up to #7

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03-10-2009, 04:55 PM
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Skriko should be higher than Jokinen. He was the offensive force behind the Canucks for a while.
by that logic, skriko and jokinen should be about the same. they both put up decent but not spectacular totals, leading terrible teams. the truth of the matter, though, is that skriko was never as vital to the canucks as jokinen. skriko had tony tanti putting up identical stats and sharing the scoring load. jokinen didn't have anyone of his calibre as a running mate. but being that neither of their teams amounted to a hill of beans, maybe it doesn't matter how valuable either were.

no way esa tikkanen isn't top five. 3a/3b should be tik and kiprusoff.

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03-11-2009, 06:26 AM
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Kurri is quite clear cut #1, followed by Selanne (quite possible HHOF inductee after his retirement).

Thereafter it gets a bit trickier.

Tikkanen had long and succesfull career (5 cups [and big contribution to last 4 of them], over 850 regular season games, 600+ points), but also one of the most hated players of his time (be it positive or negative). But in the end he probably was great 2nd line winger. How should he be placed then?

Numminen's longevity is undeniable (1300+ regular season games, highest total of European born player), but his career has been somewhat unspectacular (playing for Jets/Coyotes for most of it does not help). The only thing is clear (at least to me) that Numminen should (at least for now) be highest ranking defenceman on the list.

Then there is Koivu. Injuries and worse has caused him never truly play to his potential in NHL, but still 750+ games, 600+ points. And of course there is the factor of being captain of the famous Canadiens. No matter how one would analysi Koivu's career on ice, outside the rink he is definetly among the most highest regarded and respected Finnish players.

As of right now, I would think that Kiprusoff has not had sufficiently long career to justify being positioned above Koivu, Numminen and Tikkanen. But on the other hand, he is among the very few Finns that had received award (Vezina for 05/06 season).

Individual awards are also the big thing for Jere Lehtinen. Being selected to be best in your role in NHL 3 times (Selke) is definetly something that should not be overlooked. Quite funny actually, since when the trio (Peltonen-Koivu-Lehtinen) moved to NHL after 1995 World Champinships, Lehtinen was seen as the weakest link, and one could even argue that he has had the best NHL career out of three of them (of course to some extent because of Koivu's injuries).

So, taking into account the abovementioned factors, I would start the ranking as follows:
1.) Kurri
2.) Selanne
3.) Tikkanen
4.) Lehtinen (high value given to individual awards)
5.) Koivu
6.) Numminen
7.) Kiprusoff

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03-11-2009, 07:05 AM
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Good overall list from the OP. I'd personally put Tikkanen ahead of Jokinen. Mikko Makela didn't play a ton of games in the NHL but was fairly good. Janne Niinimaa is another consideration. Also, and I could be remembering this wrong, but I believe Tomas Sandstrom grew up in Sweden but was born in Finland. Not sure how that fits into the whole equation.

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03-11-2009, 07:17 AM
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Also, and I could be remembering this wrong, but I believe Tomas Sandstrom grew up in Sweden but was born in Finland. Not sure how that fits into the whole equation.
Tomas Sandström was indeed born in Finland, but he represented Sweden in international play, so in this context he should be considered Swedish.

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03-11-2009, 07:45 AM
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1.) Kurri
2.) Selänne
3.) Tikkanen
4.) Koivu
5.) Numminen
6.) Ruotsalainen
7.) Lehtinen
8.) Lumme
9.) Olli Jokinen
10.) Kiprusoff
11.) Timonen
12.) Sinisalo
13.) Siltanen
14.) Skriko
15.) Sami Kapanen

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03-11-2009, 10:16 AM
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1) Jari Kurri
2) Teemu Selanne
3) Teppo Numminen
4) Tomas Sandstrom
5) Esa Tikkanen
6) Saku Koivu
7) Jykri Lumme
8) Olli Jokinen
9) Mikka Kiprusoff
10) Jere Lehtinen
11) Sami Kapanen
12) Kimmo Timonen
13) Christian Ruutu
14) Illka Sinsalo
15) Petri Skriko

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03-11-2009, 11:09 AM
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Are we only comparing NHL careers here? I mean, Pekka Rautakallio was quite possibly more talented than Teppo Numminen, but only played 3 seasons in the NHL due to family reasons.

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1) Jari Kurri
2) Teemu Selanne
3) Teppo Numminen
4) Tomas Sandstrom
5) Esa Tikkanen
6) Saku Koivu
7) Jykri Lumme
8) Olli Jokinen
9) Mikka Kiprusoff
10) Jere Lehtinen
11) Sami Kapanen
12) Kimmo Timonen
13) Christian Ruutu
14) Illka Sinsalo
15) Petri Skriko
Sandstrom is Swedish and not Finnish (he was born in Finland tho.)

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1] Jari Kurri
2] Teemu Selänne
3a] Teppo Numminen
3b] Saku Koivu
5] Miikka Kiprusoff
6] Jere Lehtinen
7] Kimmo Timonen
8] Reijo Ruotsalainen
9] Olli Jokinen
10] Esa Tikkanen
11] Jyrki Lumme
12] Sami Kapanen
13] Petri Skriko
14] Christian Ruuttu
15] Ilkka Sinisalo
Reijo Ruotsalainen had what? 1 or 2 good seasons? Ruuttu was more consistent and had a longer career. Ok, Ruuttu was a bit below in raw talent but he was also more feisty, which made him a better NHL player.

Does Sinisalo really deserves to be on that list? A 2-3 years wonder? I would have Sami Salo and even Mikko Koivu before him.

Your top 7 is spot on though. And Esa Tikkanen as #8.

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03-11-2009, 12:57 PM
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Tikkanen should definitely be No. 3. I don't think people realize just how good he really was. I watched him play, and I watched Lehtinen played. Tikkanen is better in every facet of the game. Lehtinen has the Selkes, but Tikkanen was better defensively.

It's too bad that Tik suffered the knee injury in 1991. He was never close to the same player after that. I don't think he would have been better than the guy we saw from 87 to 91, but we would have seen that player, the one who was so effective from 87 to 91, for a few more years.

He was third in all-star voting at LW in 87, for what it's worth.

Whether he was rounding out the Oilers top line with Gretz and Kurri, or whether he was shadowing an opponent's star (which he did so well, especially in the 1990 playoffs), Esa Tikkanen was an incredible player.

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I would switch Selanne and Kurri, but that is just me. I'd also probably put Koivu ahead of Lehtinen.

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Are we only comparing NHL careers here? I mean, Pekka Rautakallio was quite possibly more talented than Teppo Numminen, but only played 3 seasons in the NHL due to family reasons.
Don't forget Risto Siltanen.

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I see a few lists with Kiprusoff below Jokinen and that makes no sense to me either.

Kipper won a Vezina and backstopped a team to the finals.

Jokinen... has done nothing so far but accumulate some points on bad teams.

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1.) Kurri
2.) Selänne
3.) Tikkanen
4.) Koivu
5.) Numminen
6.) Ruotsalainen
7.) Lehtinen
8.) Lumme
9.) Olli Jokinen
10.) Kiprusoff
11.) Timonen
12.) Sinisalo
13.) Siltanen
14.) Skriko
15.) Sami Kapanen
I like this list the best. I would boost Kapanen to 12 and move the others down.

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I would put Koivu ahead of Tikkanen because of his international play. Here's his resume, taken from Wikipedia:

Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament All-Star - 1994, 1995, 1999
Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament's Best Forward - 1995, 1999
Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament's Top scorer - 1999
Finnish Ice hockey player of the year - 1994, 1995
Turin 2006 Winter Olympics - Tournament All-Star
Turin 2006 Winter Olympics - Top scorer
Captain of Team Finland - 1998-present

And stats: Games G A P PIM
WC totals 51 17 39 56 38
OLY totals 22 9 19 28 28
WCH totals 10 4 4 8 6
Int'l totals 83 30 62 92 72

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my list
1.kurri
2.ruotsalainen
3.tikkanen
4.lehtinen
6.nieminen
7.koivu
8.eloranta
9.toivonen

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I would put Koivu ahead of Tikkanen because of his international play. Here's his resume, taken from Wikipedia:

Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament All-Star - 1994, 1995, 1999
Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament's Best Forward - 1995, 1999
Ice Hockey World Championships Tournament's Top scorer - 1999
Finnish Ice hockey player of the year - 1994, 1995
Turin 2006 Winter Olympics - Tournament All-Star
Turin 2006 Winter Olympics - Top scorer
Captain of Team Finland - 1998-present

And stats: Games G A P PIM
WC totals 51 17 39 56 38
OLY totals 22 9 19 28 28
WCH totals 10 4 4 8 6
Int'l totals 83 30 62 92 72
Interesting, but it says : Finnish NHL players.

Thus the OP probably meant to count only NHL play. Too bad, because Koivu would be 3rd in those circumstances.

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my list
1.kurri
2.ruotsalainen
3.tikkanen
4.lehtinen
6.nieminen
7.koivu
8.eloranta
9.toivonen
Not a fan of Teemu Selanne?

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my list
1.kurri
2.ruotsalainen
3.tikkanen
4.lehtinen
6.nieminen
7.koivu
8.eloranta
9.toivonen

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Not a fan of Teemu Selanne?


One could make an argument for Selanne being the greatest finn ever. 573 goals, 72 goal rookie season, SC, ... The man is probably the best scandinavian ever. Only Lidström and Kurri are his competitors.

/Cheers


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Kipper should be 3rd, his 2004, 2006 and 2007 seasons are better than anything koivu or tikkanen have ever done. He was an elite player all 3 seasons, something Koivu and Esa have never been.

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Wow Koivu at #3? The Finns aren't that thin are they? But I guess when I look at it, after Kurri and Selanne (#1-2 no matter what) it IS thin. Tikkannen and Kipper are ahead of Koivu though.

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