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03-10-2009, 10:36 PM
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You got it wrong. It was reported that he'd play LW.

"Gainey has altered all three of Carbo's defence pairings, and Alex Kovalev finds himself playing left wing on a line with Tomas Plekanec and Matt D'Agostini. "

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That's what he said. People reported him on left, the poster was saying he was playing on RW. Honestly, I don't remember.

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That's what he said. People reported him on left, the poster was saying he was playing on RW. Honestly, I don't remember.
he actually played on the right side, i was wondering too before the game after reading the report of him going to play the left side.

But he actually played the right and D'ago the left.

The guys tried their butts off tonight except the 2nd period. Bob manages his players ice time a little better and apparently according to some ofthe players communicates better. maybe way better. He is Bob friggin Gainey after all...

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and also when we were down 1 with 5 to go and our top lines had already played...we didnt see the 4th line...we saw the third but metro (who has hands) replaced kosto...which was a small but i think smart move

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major differences after 1 game

what are you guys talking about? honestly this game wasn't different at all from any games we had previously to the price injury..

the team goes as price goes, he makes a big save in the 3rd period on Gagner and we come back. He let the shot in ;we give up and lose. Price is playing better and if he keeps doing it we will win more. Nor Gainey nor Carbonneau have any grip on this.

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We won

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03-10-2009, 11:31 PM
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The biggest difference I noticed was actually entering the offensive zone. We didn't just dump it in, do a fly-by, and let them carry it out. We actually carried the puck in, pursued it, and even got it back sometimes which rarely happened before. The thing that needs to change ASAP even going back to last season, is that we just let the other team walk into our zone and we keep backing off. This allows them to gain the zone easily and take shots where our defensemen are setting up perfect screens. Allows for tons of shots and lots of weak looking goals because of all the screens.

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After a PP opportunity, our next line on the ice was the Plekanec one. With Carbo we would have seen our 3rd or 4th one.

Quick line changes, Kovalev didn't cheat all game

Improved puck possession, thus we didn't spend a ton of time in our zone.

Our D-men didn't give the blue as easily as they used to, but they got some work to do.



Overall, I'm liking what I'm seeing. As far as the 2nd period goes, I thought we had MANY opportunities to shoot, especially AK46, which kinda tricked the numbers a little bit.

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03-10-2009, 11:44 PM
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Gainey's bench management puts Carbo's to shame. That's pretty pathetic considering the dude has coached like 3 months in the past... how many years?

Koivu and Kovalev don't waste energy killing 5-on-4 PK's. Unless your stars are elite penalty killers, what's the point? Especially with a worn down guy like Saku.

Habs get a powerplay. Kovalev's unit plays a minute. Saku's unit plays a minute. Habs get bunch of momentum. Next shift? Kovalev's line. Sure, Kovy ended up taking a stupid penalty, but Gainey's got the right idea. Carbo didn't do this once in 3 years.

TK 12 minutes. Was replaced by Metro in the 3rd and Gainey went with 3 lines. Also I can't remember the 4th line ever taking a faceoff after a commercial break. Although I didn't really pay much attention to this tonight, but it was something Carbo did constantly.

Gainey gets full marks tonight.

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03-11-2009, 06:11 AM
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Gainey's bench management puts Carbo's to shame. That's pretty pathetic considering the dude has coached like 3 months in the past... how many years?

Koivu and Kovalev don't waste energy killing 5-on-4 PK's. Unless your stars are elite penalty killers, what's the point? Especially with a worn down guy like Saku.

Habs get a powerplay. Kovalev's unit plays a minute. Saku's unit plays a minute. Habs get bunch of momentum. Next shift? Kovalev's line. Sure, Kovy ended up taking a stupid penalty, but Gainey's got the right idea. Carbo didn't do this once in 3 years.

TK 12 minutes. Was replaced by Metro in the 3rd and Gainey went with 3 lines. Also I can't remember the 4th line ever taking a faceoff after a commercial break. Although I didn't really pay much attention to this tonight, but it was something Carbo did constantly.

Gainey gets full marks tonight.
The thing in bold used to drive me absolutely insane... especially on offensive zone faceoffs. I don't see any other team in the league doing it... only Carbo.

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03-11-2009, 08:02 AM
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Tough to make significant changes in 1 day but there were some improvements. They moved the puck better, the breakout overall was improved. They created turnovers. The forecheck was better. I really liked how they didn't allow EDM any space in the first and few shots and scoring chances. I also liked how they really became dangerous in the third. There were some things I didn't like, in particular forwards getting caught too high at times. D'Ago is a big victim of this. The second was a bit of a disaster. But, a foundation built?

As I see it, I think when Latendresse comes back, we will most likely see the team go into the playoffs with the following lines.

Tanguay-Koivu-Kosty
Higgins-Pleks-Kovalev
Latendresse-Lapierre-Kosto
Stewart-Metro-Dandy

I think D'ago and Maxpac will be sent back to Hamilton for the AHL playoffs. I see BG going with experience for the most part. Stewart's style suits the 4th line, so he will stay. Maxpac and D'ago need to be in offensive roles and the best place just may be Hamilton.

On the blueline, more interesting because I really like the way O'Byrne has been playing the last few games. Brisebois should only play in 1 more NHL game this season to get his 1,000 game in. Otherwise, he is #8 on the depth chart. Wonder what will happen when Bouillion gets better...

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About we wait a little to assess the differences? So we won in OT against the mighty Oilers at home. But how about that 2nd period? This has still Carbo's imprint on it and we'll see later in the following games what is the real Gainey imprint on the team.

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About we wait a little to assess the differences? So we won in OT against the mighty Oilers at home. But how about that 2nd period? This has still Carbo's imprint on it and we'll see later in the following games what is the real Gainey imprint on the team.
Hi Mr. Obvious...

Of course it would be easier to assess the differences after a few games. We just wanted to point out the obvious changes right away, and there were a few if you watched the game closely or read this thread.

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Hi Mr. Obvious...

Of course it would be easier to assess the differences after a few games. We just wanted to point out the obvious changes right away, and there were a few if you watched the game closely or read this thread.
Yeah I watched the game closely and read the thread....still what if the 4th line is used right after a goal in the next games? It's not because the situtiation didn't happen yesterday that it won't happen in the future. The Lapierre line was used after 2 of our goals. Seems to me that the Metropolit line was much better offensively yesterday than the Lapierre one. What did D'Agostini proved contrary to Pacioretty? What about that change? Did you seriously loved the Schneider-Gorges pairing on defense? No 4th line after a TV timeout? Absolutely and great if it's always that way, less rolling 4 lines, that would be awesome too and it looks that way yesterday. Still, we need to see if it continues that way. But whatever side Kovalev played he didn't look too good and still took dumb penalties etc....Not using Saku on the PK? Absolutely great news. Not using Kovalev? Not so sure. He wasn't use yesterday and wasn't that effective on other situation. He's not a bad PK'er and makes the other team think when he's there even 5 on 4.

So there were some changes and while it totally looks like a change of philosophy, on the long run we'll see the panic level of the new coaching staff in place and if for some changes (not all of them) it was just a question of how it happened during the game or it's really something that will go along for the future games.

All what I'm saying. As far as being Mr. Obvious well maybe so. Just as much as the "Where are the haters now" after 1 good performance or "Where are the lovers now" after 1 bad one.....Just following the trend...

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03-11-2009, 09:20 AM
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Thing I noticed the most was the post game press conference. He wasn't blasting any individual player, calling them out, going on about how badly they played, something Carbo used to do on a nightly basis.

Its a refreshing change.

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03-11-2009, 09:22 AM
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About we wait a little to assess the differences? So we won in OT against the mighty Oilers at home. But how about that 2nd period? This has still Carbo's imprint on it and we'll see later in the following games what is the real Gainey imprint on the team.
It's true the team was awful in the 2nd period. What I think is more important is how Gainey dealt with it. He helped the players refocus, and feel confident, and they came out swining in the third as a result. It's only one game as you said, but so far so good.

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I think Bob means well and you could see a difference in the first period but you can't change a team completly with 10 games remaining.

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Tough to make significant changes in 1 day but there were some improvements. They moved the puck better, the breakout overall was improved. They created turnovers. The forecheck was better. I really liked how they didn't allow EDM any space in the first and few shots and scoring chances. I also liked how they really became dangerous in the third. There were some things I didn't like, in particular forwards getting caught too high at times. D'Ago is a big victim of this. The second was a bit of a disaster. But, a foundation built?

As I see it, I think when Latendresse comes back, we will most likely see the team go into the playoffs with the following lines.

Tanguay-Koivu-Kosty
Higgins-Pleks-Kovalev
Latendresse-Lapierre-Kosto
Stewart-Metro-Dandy

I think D'ago and Maxpac will be sent back to Hamilton for the AHL playoffs. I see BG going with experience for the most part. Stewart's style suits the 4th line, so he will stay. Maxpac and D'ago need to be in offensive roles and the best place just may be Hamilton.

On the blueline, more interesting because I really like the way O'Byrne has been playing the last few games. Brisebois should only play in 1 more NHL game this season to get his 1,000 game in. Otherwise, he is #8 on the depth chart. Wonder what will happen when Bouillion gets better...
I doubt both MaxPac and Dago go down... they have played well and you always need depth in the playoffs... someone will get hurt at some point.

As for lines

Tanguay - Koivu - Kostitsyn
MaxPac - Plekanec - Kovalev
Higgins - Lapierre - Latendresse (I see Gainey wanting to make this into a shutdown line that can also provide offence)
Stewart - Metropolit - Kostopolous (Energy line)

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Yeah I watched the game closely and read the thread....still what if the 4th line is used right after a goal in the next games? It's not because the situtiation didn't happen yesterday that it won't happen in the future. The Lapierre line was used after 2 of our goals. Seems to me that the Metropolit line was much better offensively yesterday than the Lapierre one. What did D'Agostini proved contrary to Pacioretty? What about that change? Did you seriously loved the Schneider-Gorges pairing on defense? No 4th line after a TV timeout? Absolutely and great if it's always that way, less rolling 4 lines, that would be awesome too and it looks that way yesterday. Still, we need to see if it continues that way. But whatever side Kovalev played he didn't look too good and still took dumb penalties etc....Not using Saku on the PK? Absolutely great news. Not using Kovalev? Not so sure. He wasn't use yesterday and wasn't that effective on other situation. He's not a bad PK'er and makes the other team think when he's there even 5 on 4.

So there were some changes and while it totally looks like a change of philosophy, on the long run we'll see the panic level of the new coaching staff in place and if for some changes (not all of them) it was just a question of how it happened during the game or it's really something that will go along for the future games.

All what I'm saying. As far as being Mr. Obvious well maybe so. Just as much as the "Where are the haters now" after 1 good performance or "Where are the lovers now" after 1 bad one.....Just following the trend...
dude relax, don't post in the thread then.

The thread is about the one game. not more games. the one.

We can make another thread later to talk about the differences after many games. cool?

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Bob kept the right penalty killers on the ice Higgens, Dandy, metro and Lapierre should always kill penalties not Kovalev and Pleks.
Higgens could be a future selke winner, he is a defensive specialist and should never be on the PP.

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