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03-13-2009, 06:47 PM
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Steve Staios at the draft

Would would Steve Staios's value be at the entry draft?

He's signed for two more years for an average of 2.5 million dollars. He's a "steady" bottom pairing defenseman who can occasionally play on the top four. He has decent offensive skills, and he's a great leader and locker room guy.

The reason I think he might/should be traded, is that Edmonton already has Visnovsky, Souray and Gilbert locked up for next year, and could use the extra 2.5 million to resign Grebeshkov and Smid. They also have a couple of guys playing in the minors who could replace Staios if necessary (Peckham, Chorney or possibly Petry).

What could he fetch? a pick? a prospect?

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I don't think you're gonna like what you hear on this one. Steady Steve stays an Oiler because of it.

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I don't think there is much interest for a good bottom pairing defenseman making 2.5 million...simply put, he's too expensive.

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Staois and the oilers first for the Devils first

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Yeah... if you want to move Staios at the draft you're going to have to send a pick with him. $2.5M/yr for 2 more years for Staios has negative trade value.

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His salary is too big to be moved IMO

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14th round draft pick.

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Wouldn't get picked up on waivers at this point IMO.

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Pretty much what others said. Staios is a useful player, but he's way overpaid.

To trade him, you will either have to send along a pick or take back another bad contract.

Buy-out might be a better option...

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Staois and the oilers first for the Devils first
Hell no.

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a 3rd or 4th. But no ones going to take on his cap hit.

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He's signed for two more years for an average of 2.5 million dollars.
His cap number, however, is $2.7 million.

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Staois and the oilers first for the Devils first
Edmonton: currently projected to pick around 16th.
New Jersey: currently projected to pick 27th.

I can hear it now:

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LOWE: "Um ... Lou - we'd like to give you a guy so we can move back 11 spots."
LAMORIELLO: "You're kidding ... right?"
LOWE: "No, I'm dead serious. You could use a guy like Staios, he's a solid defenseman - we need the cap space to go make a run after Bouwmeester."
LAMORIELLO: "But Kevin ... you're moving down in the draft with this. Usually, teams add a player with their pick to move up."
LOWE: "Shut up, Lou - I know what I'm doing. Either take Staios and our pick at 16 so we can move back to 27, or I'm done talking with you."

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03-14-2009, 02:22 AM
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IB, one could argue Staios @ 2.7 mil would hurt the Devils (flexibility) more than it would help them. The difference in player quality between 16 and 27 is likely smaller than the trouble of having Staios..

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IB, one could argue Staios @ 2.7 mil would hurt the Devils (flexibility) more than it would help them. The difference in player quality between 16 and 27 is likely smaller than the trouble of having Staios..
I didn't say it was a good idea - I was pointing out the absurdity of the proposal.

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I didn't say it was a good idea - I was pointing out the absurdity of the proposal.
I think the other poster was just stating that he believes with the contract he has for a bottem pairing defensemen that Staios has negative trade value, which i agree with, something along the TO/TB trade at the deadline.

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In terms of the player without his contract, I would still say he is worth a second based on his play. But he won't get anything near that when you consider his contract.

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His cap number, however, is $2.7 million.


Edmonton: currently projected to pick around 16th.
New Jersey: currently projected to pick 27th.

I can hear it now:
Do you have any evidence suggesting Kevin Lowe is the real GM of the Oilers? Just curious.

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maybe a 3rd if lucky

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In terms of the player without his contract, I would still say he is worth a second based on his play. But he won't get anything near that when you consider his contract.
well put. Player without contract probably a late 2nd or a third. However most teams try to save cap space by filling there bottom pairing dmen with players making less then a mil, not $2.7 in the cap system dollar amount isn't important, cap hit is what counts

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[QUOTE=Irish Blues;18522479]I didn't say it was a good idea - I was pointing out the absurdity of the proposal.[/QUO


somebody has forgotten we are in the cap and contract world now. Oilers need to move money and contracts

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I didn't say it was a good idea - I was pointing out the absurdity of the proposal.

somebody has forgotten we are in the cap and contract world now. Oilers need to move money and contracts
i'm pretty sure IB understands we're in a cap world, and what that means. That doesnt change the absurdity of the proposal. Even the malakov trade netted NJ some potential assets (though they didnt work out) and NJ was trading away someone who wasnt on their roster, not a serviceable NHL defenceman.


As to the original question, i'd imagine his value would be comparable to that of Jason Smith in ottawa. Both are basically good 3rd pairing defencemen with contracts that are too high for their contributions to the team. I dont think either are very moveable this summer unless salary is coming back as well.

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As to the original question, i'd imagine his value would be comparable to that of Jason Smith in ottawa. Both are basically good 3rd pairing defencemen with contracts that are too high for their contributions to the team. I dont think either are very moveable this summer unless salary is coming back as well.
I don't like Staios, but he's better than J.Smith (mister "ring it around the boards") and is actually useful compared to Jason Strudwick who belongs in the press-box full-time.

Staios is a bottom-pairing D-man who can sometimes play 1st/2nd pairing minutes (i.e due to Visnovsky's injury) and not get killed.

He contract is a killer.

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I didn't say it was a good idea - I was pointing out the absurdity of the proposal.

somebody has forgotten we are in the cap and contract world now. Oilers need to move money and contracts
Somebody doesn't know who he's talking to.

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i'm pretty sure IB understands we're in a cap world, and what that means. That doesnt change the absurdity of the proposal. Even the malakov trade netted NJ some potential assets (though they didnt work out) and NJ was trading away someone who wasnt on their roster, not a serviceable NHL defenceman.
Different situation with the Malakov trade in that he only had a year left on his contract. Staios' contract is for an additional year - which includes the season where the cap is expected to go down signficantly. Not to mention the "assets" NJ got weren't worth the same as the 1st rounder they sent to San Jose.

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