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03-16-2009, 02:34 PM
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Heatley, Picard, and a 4th to Anaheim for Perry, Ebbett, a 1st, and a 2nd

Perry can fit onto Sens top line.
Heatley beside Getzlaf makes for absolute domination.
Picard clears up the Sens logjam on d, while Anaheim gets a d, something they desperately need, with only 1 signed for next season.
Ebbett can play 2nd line instead of Comrie, saving the Sens 3 million dollars.
The picks even it out, because Heatley makes for quite the offensive upgrade, plus Picard will be Anaheims 2nd best dman signed for next year

Thoughts?

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03-16-2009, 02:40 PM
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03-16-2009, 02:45 PM
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I am a Sens fan, and value isn't even for us, but Ebbett is scoring at an over 50 point pace, aka better than Comrie... Heatley has been by far the worst of the big 3. Murray has said he will consider shedding salary. And if we have Ebbet and Perry replace Comrie and Heatley, we save around 5.5 million. Thats the biggest part of this. Plus, Picard doesn't really have a spot with us, while he definitely does with Anaheim... Without a Salary Cap, this trade obviously wouldnt make sense... but this would leave us enough space to get Bo plus a top 6 forward, with a real little bit of wiggling.

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I am a Sens fan, and value isn't even for us, but Ebbett is scoring at an over 50 point pace, aka better than Comrie... Heatley has been by far the worst of the big 3. Murray has said he will consider shedding salary. And if we have Ebbet and Perry replace Comrie and Heatley, we save around 5.5 million. Thats the biggest part of this. Plus, Picard doesn't really have a spot with us, while he definitely does with Anaheim... Without a Salary Cap, this trade obviously wouldnt make sense... but this would leave us enough space to get Bo plus a top 6 forward, with a real little bit of wiggling.
Is this just shedding salary so they can start over, or are the Sens in actual financial trouble? If it's the former, I can't see them wanting to downgrade from Heatley to Perry for $5.5 million, no matter how Heater's playing this season.

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Is this just shedding salary so they can start over, or are the Sens in actual financial trouble? If it's the former, I can't see them wanting to downgrade from Heatley to Perry for $5.5 million, no matter how Heater's playing this season.
Financial trouble? or Cap trouble? This team has been top 10 in attendance for the last 4 years with a good playoff run. Financially the sens are fine.

This isnt a terrible deal but I am not very high on Ebbett until he can do this consistently he isnt worth the difference between Heatley and Perry imho.

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03-16-2009, 03:24 PM
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1. Heatley >>> Perry

2. we already HAD Ebbett and didnt want him

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The logic behind this isn't bad, but I'm not convinced the value is even.

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Ebbett is the key here. He could push Binghamton over the top and YOU KNOW that would create a great winning atmosphere for our top prospects like Glass and Mauldin.

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Heatley is worth way more than this deal makes it out to be. Perry does not get you Heatley. Getzlaf might get you Heatley but that wouldn't make much sense.

Ebbett is a fill-in at best. He's on pace for what would be 8 goals if he played in 82 games. That hardly matches what Comrie can produce. Picard is young and raw and could easily be in the top-six next year.

No deal from Sens fans. Replacing a 50 goal scorer with a potential 30 goal scorer to save 2.0 million doesn't make any sense.

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Heatley, Picard, and a 4th to Anaheim for Perry, Ebbett, a 1st, and a 2nd

Perry can fit onto Sens top line.
Heatley beside Getzlaf makes for absolute domination.
Picard clears up the Sens logjam on d, while Anaheim gets a d, something they desperately need, with only 1 signed for next season.
Ebbett can play 2nd line instead of Comrie, saving the Sens 3 million dollars.
The picks even it out, because Heatley makes for quite the offensive upgrade, plus Picard will be Anaheims 2nd best dman signed for next year

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Ding, ding, ding! I couldn't agree more. SO, instead of your proposed deal with Heatley going to Anaheim, how about one with Getzlaf coming to Ottawa? This would be a much better idea.

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03-16-2009, 04:39 PM
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Anaheim hangs up the phone right away. Upgrading Perry to Heatley is not worth our 2nd line center, a top-10 pick, and a 2nd.

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No way Anaheim does this. Not because of value but because it doesn't make any sense for Ducks. Heatley's monster contract is a huge no-no.

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i'd consider it from the sens side. There is allways the mentality that when you lose the best player, you lose the trade, but if this gives ottawa space to sign someone like bouwmeester or ballard, it makes us a better team. I'm not really convinced by ebbett yet, plus it would be kind of weird if the sens traded for ebbett after letting him leave the organization for nothing.

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03-16-2009, 07:23 PM
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i'd consider it from the sens side. There is allways the mentality that when you lose the best player, you lose the trade, but if this gives ottawa space to sign someone like bouwmeester or ballard, it makes us a better team. I'm not really convinced by ebbett yet, plus it would be kind of weird if the sens traded for ebbett after letting him leave the organization for nothing.
If we want cap space for Bouw Murray will try to move EVERYONE Else except Alfie and Spezza before he moves Heatley

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03-16-2009, 09:06 PM
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Your picture of Anaheim's blueline is a little dated.

They now have 3 Dmen under contract. Pronger, Whitney, and Brookbank. 4 if you count Mikkelson. Also Wisniewski is an RFA, so he'll probably be back as well. I don't think Picard is a big attraction for the Ducks. That said, the real attraction here is obviously Heatley.


On one hand it doesn't seem like enough going Ottawa's way. Ebbett's results are kind of driven by Ryan and Selanne. Perry's results are also highly enhanced by Getzlaf (they synergize really well), he probably wouldn't perform as well on Ottawa.

On the other hand, it's the opposite of what the Ducks are built on. Defense and goaltending. Depth was also a huge problem this season, the team was too top heavy (no 2nd line, only 2 defensemen fit for being better than bottom pair). Adding a Heatley doesn't help that problem.

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03-17-2009, 12:38 AM
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Heatley, Picard, and a 4th to Anaheim for Perry, Ebbett, a 1st, and a 2nd

Perry can fit onto Sens top line.
Heatley beside Getzlaf makes for absolute domination.
Picard clears up the Sens logjam on d, while Anaheim gets a d, something they desperately need, with only 1 signed for next season.
Ebbett can play 2nd line instead of Comrie, saving the Sens 3 million dollars.
The picks even it out, because Heatley makes for quite the offensive upgrade, plus Picard will be Anaheims 2nd best dman signed for next year

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The sens defense stinks so whatever good defenseman they have will not be traded.Another proposal that has not been thought out.Back to the drawing board.

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1. Heatley >>> Perry

2. we already HAD Ebbett and didnt want him
Thanks for letting us have him

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03-17-2009, 05:38 AM
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The Ducks can't take on Heater's contract, even though i'd love to have him. While the cost is only 2.2~ish more, getting a free agent to do what Ebbett is doing is going to add a couple mil too.

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Thanks for letting us have him
he chose you, we didnt give him too you

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No thank you from a Senators fan's point of view.

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If you want Heatley start with Ryan, since Heatley is what Ryan will probably pan out to if everything goes right.

Then, close the gap that is the difference of Proven vs. Unproven, since the Proven in question is a 2 time 50 goal scorer and 3rd highest since the lock out, in this case the difference is at least a 1st round pick.

So, in short, the Ducks don't do this. And Senators don't go for anything the ducks will realistically offer.

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If you want Heatley start with Ryan, since Heatley is what Ryan will probably pan out to if everything goes right.
As long as there is a salary cap and Ryan is producing the way he has been while on his rookie contract then Ryan has more trade value than Heatley.

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As long as there is a salary cap and Ryan is producing the way he has been while on his rookie contract then Ryan has MUCH more trade value than Heatley.
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Fixed.

LoL.

Yeah, you regularly see NHL Gms dealing people with 140 goals in 3 seasons (at the rate elite scorers get paid) for prospects.... All the time.

The stupidity of some people on here amazes me.

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