I don't know but all the suspected flaws on Grigorenko reminds me of Spezza scouting reports before the 2001 draft.
Highly skilled, not the best skater, not the most intense, not the best defensively but still very productive and with golden hands and vision.
I know also that Spezza worked very hard to improve his skating and it took him quite some time to adjust his game and be considered a top line center.
So a bonafide #1 center. If Grigorenko even turns into anything close to Spezza, then whatever team picks him would be happy. Thing is, you'd be hard pressed to believe that he would given the recent reports of his attitude and desire to play. The talent may be there, but you need to want to play. If you wake up every morning hating your job, you're not going to succeed.
So a bonafide #1 center. If Grigorenko even turns into anything close to Spezza, then whatever team picks him would be happy. Thing is, you'd be hard pressed to believe that he would given the recent reports of his attitude and desire to play. The talent may be there, but you need to want to play. If you wake up every morning hating your job, you're not going to succeed.
His problem isn't desire... it's more about the energy he put on the ice sometimes.
So a bonafide #1 center. If Grigorenko even turns into anything close to Spezza, then whatever team picks him would be happy. Thing is, you'd be hard pressed to believe that he would given the recent reports of his attitude and desire to play. The talent may be there, but you need to want to play. If you wake up every morning hating your job, you're not going to succeed.
The only reasons I wouldn't draft him at number 25 are that he's an undiagnosed schizophrenic or he's staring at a long sentence for a string of armed robberies.
His problem isn't desire... it's more about the energy he put on the ice sometimes.
This is a tricky thing to judge. I can think of LOADS of NHL stars that when you watch them play, it looks like they lack desire/energy/will. Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, John Tavares to a lesser extent... yet they are clearly great NHL players.
So a bonafide #1 center. If Grigorenko even turns into anything close to Spezza, then whatever team picks him would be happy. Thing is, you'd be hard pressed to believe that he would given the recent reports of his attitude and desire to play. The talent may be there, but you need to want to play. If you wake up every morning hating your job, you're not going to succeed.
Obvious case of not knowing what I am talking about.
Roy said of Grigo that it was the total opposite of Radulov. Grigs always has a smile on, he cannot get him off the ice. Great team player, tries to talk to everyone. Playing on one ankle for about 2 months clearly shows about he doesn't like to play i guess.
You realize he's been playing on an ankle injury after only 2-3 weeks of missed time when Crosby took 6 weeks for the same deal? And one that is known to linger for a long time.
The kid is trying to help his team despite not being 100%. He wasn't an explosive skater to begin with and a high ankle sprain doesn't exactly help.
If people think Galch is a better prospect, then it's whatever. But he's clearly one of the few that deserve to be in the top 3 picking range. Anything else about him is people trying to outthink and outscout people when they're going farther in the woods instead of walking the road.
You realize he's been playing on an ankle injury after only 2-3 weeks of missed time when Crosby took 6 weeks for the same deal? And one that is known to linger for a long time.
I do. Despite that, I've questioned his energy levels on the ice all season. It's not a recent problem.
Kristian Huselius is one of my favorite players in the NHL. Doesn't mean I can't realize his streakyness is a concern though.
Funny, since the consistency/compete question has never come up until the injury.
He was even mentionned as the potential #1 when Yakupov went down to injury.
Again, I'm just stating my own personal opinion from the eight or nine games I've seen him play this season. I'm not saying he's not going to be a fantastic player, but I question if he will be a streaky one or not.
ive heard reports that some nhl scouts would not even draft him in the first round let alone in the top ten? is there a chance he falls outside the top 15?
ive heard reports that some nhl scouts would not even draft him in the first round let alone in the top ten? is there a chance he falls outside the top 15?
don't believe everything you read, just because a scout is saying it live does not mean they actually have different plans of there own, teams will never tell you the whole truth about things...if Grigorenko by chance falls and he is there at even 6th overall which will not happen but if he is, teams will be doing back flips trying to make trades to trade up....i know us as a team we say one thing or let teams think one way but we are actually leaning a different way even when we talk to to the media...it is pretty...if by chance the scout is telling the truth about his team ill put my money on a horrible drafting team that does not have success in the draft LOL.
ive heard reports that some nhl scouts would not even draft him in the first round let alone in the top ten? is there a chance he falls outside the top 15?
they will not get paid if they keep talking like that There is no chance he falls outside the top 5...
When to the Gat-Que game today and got my first look at him in person.
Looked like he hurt his shoulder in the 2nd. Trainer had to come on the ice but he only missed a couple shifts. Hope he is ok. Wasnt really impressed with him...but in fairness his whole team played like ****. Still, his vision was impressive.
the guy is a really good player and will be a good nhler, i think these questions of effort, and caring level is blown out of proportion, i mean hes really skilled and there have been players that were lazier then him yet still became great players (getzlaf), when i saw him he never took a shift off and always wanted the puck and would take hits to make plays, i just think people need to criticize and thats one thing they think they can get away with
don't believe everything you read, just because a scout is saying it live does not mean they actually have different plans of there own, teams will never tell you the whole truth about things...if Grigorenko by chance falls and he is there at even 6th overall which will not happen but if he is, teams will be doing back flips trying to make trades to trade up....i know us as a team we say one thing or let teams think one way but we are actually leaning a different way even when we talk to to the media...it is pretty...if by chance the scout is telling the truth about his team ill put my money on a horrible drafting team that does not have success in the draft LOL.
Yes, it's called disinformation. i think the Oilers will take him as they are pretty conservative in their picks. They wouldn't dare pick Galchenyuk even if he might be the better player due to past horrible off the decisions.
Yes, it's called disinformation. i think the Oilers will take him as they are pretty conservative in their picks. They wouldn't dare pick Galchenyuk even if he might be the better player due to past horrible off the decisions.
I was reading Mathias Brunet blog on him on cyberpresse and almost everyone unanimously said he was lacking passion and effort and a lot said they wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. They said Duclair on the same team was already better even though he was only sixteen. I haven't seen Grigorenko play recently but that seems pretty harsh. Is that a case of mob mentality or Grigorenko is really slipping?
He's slipping that's for sure but a lot of the comments are way too harsh. Due to lack of offensive talent in the draft, he'll go high, but I see him going 5-10, rather than 1-5.
He'll probably go back in the Q next season. If he dominates like he should in his second season, he'll make the NHL at 19.
He probably wasn't used to play so much hockey. Injury and fatigue might explain a lot right now. I'd rather wait and see next season before calling it consistency issues. He was pretty consistent before the WJC.
He's slipping that's for sure but a lot of the comments are way too harsh. Due to lack of offensive talent in the draft, he'll go high, but I see him going 5-10, rather than 1-5.
He'll probably go back in the Q next season. If he dominates like he should in his second season, he'll make the NHL at 19.
He probably wasn't used to play so much hockey. Injury and fatigue might explain a lot right now. I'd rather wait and see next season before calling it consistency issues. He was pretty consistent before the WJC.
I still think he goes top 3 and I think he plays in the NHL next year because whomever drafts him will need him to play rightly or wrongly. His got the frame to do some on the job training in the NHL, I think its his stamina that will be in question, but thats the case for every rookie coming into the NHL. For collegiate Americans and Europeans the schedule has always been an issue for first year players adjusting to a Canadian schedule. When looking at Grigorenko, you also have to look at the competition, and no behind him is blowing the doors of their season either. I think Grigorenko and Yakupov are the 2 safest picks this year to make an impact in the NHL.
There is no chance he falls outside the top 5...
