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04-21-2011, 01:15 AM
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CHL is definitely the right place for some Russians. Yakupov and Galchenyuk next year, Namesnikov and Khokhlachev this year, and Burmistrov last year.
We can judge this in no less than 3 years

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Of course there are positive examples, but, all in all, CHL rarely works for Russians.....especially forwards.

A player who's been developing in a certain direction/style should NOT change development direction at the crucial age of 16-18.
In the end you get a player who's been developed in both styles, yet has mastered neither.

A Russian player should master the Russian style (what he's been trained in since childhood) then adapt that to NHL play when mature enough to do so.

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04-21-2011, 01:59 AM
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I don't think there's a better path than another. It depends on the person.

As for Russians in the CHL, it also depends on the style used by the coach. Radulov flourished in the CHL because Roy let him do whatever he wanted on the ice and didn't give him a sctrict patron of game. Roy's game plan is all about speed, skills, puck possession and offense. It probably wouldn't have been the same if he had put him in a typical NA structure (puck dumping, forecheck and defense system).

However, I do agree with most Russians, they have better chances to develop in their own country than in the CHL because this is what they have known their whole life.


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Any relation to Nikolai? When is he draft eligible?
I dont know about relation to Nikolai Kulemin This guy, Vyacheslav Kulemin, was born in 1990, so he was eligible for draft a few years ago if I am right

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I dont know about relation to Nikolai Kulemin This guy, Vyacheslav Kulemin, was born in 1990, so he was eligible for draft a few years ago if I am right
Besides, he's one of the best Filatov's friend.

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15 points in 5 games for an underaged player is pretty good

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15 points in 5 games for an underaged player is pretty good
Kucherov 17 points in 5 games and Grigorenko 15 points in 5 games

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Finished with 18 points in 7 games. (4 goals 14 assists).

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Imagine what he'll do next year when hes 17.

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Should be up there with Yakupov challenging for first overall next year however it is likely Russian factor will once again drop his rankings. Reminds me alot of Evgeni Malkin in those videos.


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Should be up there with Yakupov challenging for first overall next year however it is likely Russian factor will once again drop his rankings. Reminds me alot of Evgeni Malkin in those videos.
as I've written before, I prefer the Thornton (minus skating) comparsion, (even more so since last night, when he could strip off the "choker-Label")

Young Malkin played with much more enthusiasm,and a bit less brain.

If we take Russians,as only source of comparsion....
I'd say Grigorenko got Larionov's brain and calm in Malkin's body.

He'll be very good anyway.

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Mikhail Grigorenko has size, elite speed and decent hockey sense. He has to be a front runner to be a top 10 pick next season and from what I seen, should in the consideration for top 5. He is definately in the mold of Malkin. From what I have seen I would have him ahead of Yakupov who reminds me of a slower Kovalchuk.


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this is reminding me of the 04 draft year of ovechkin and malkin but with amazing dmen stockpiling the first round. this looks like such a great draft, not saying they will be as good as those two...

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Mikhail Grigorenko Video compilation

okay guys ... This is a video that will make you drool after the 2012 draft. The next Russian superstar 16 year old Mikhail Grigorenko the greatest talent from Russia since Ovechkin and Malkin .. Yakupov in all its glory, but the best player for the 2012 draft is Grigorenko

enjoy the video




check out my channel for more video of young russia player in this and next years draft
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next KHL superstar!!! Great Mikhail!

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Shades of Joe Thornton/Yashin/Lecavalier. Will definitely be an interesting player to watch.

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Looks like a player to watch for 2012 shows a lot of skill with a big frame, I would still take Yakupov and not look back

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next KHL superstar!!! Great Mikhail!
For a year.

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Wow, thanks for the video. He looks like an incredible talent and I'll be interested in following him in the coming years.

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Looks like a wizard out there with the puck and he's got greats hands and a great shot to score in tight. All of this combined with his size makes him look like a man among boys in those clips. Hard to believe he's playing like that at the ripe age of 16.

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I've heard a lot of this guy but is he actually better than yakupov? Did they ever play together for russia or in the same leauge in the past where they could be compared to each other?

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I've heard a lot of this guy but is he actually better than yakupov? Did they ever play together for russia or in the same leauge in the past where they could be compared to each other?
Outside of national teams I don't think they've played together, they most likely knew eachother before but I'd assume Yakupovs Sarnia teammate Galchenyuk knows Grigerenko better and played more with him (Either agaisnt eachother or on the same team) since they're in the same age group when they both played in Russia.

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