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03-22-2009, 03:10 PM
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Is Lecavalier? I doubt it.

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actually he is right that Kovy is a better player than Vinny, but we don't need a left winger we need CENTERMEN !
I disagree. The most recent two seasons Lecavalier has outscored Kovalchuk. This season Kovalchuk may have the upper hand, but he has:

A) defencemen who can move the puck (Hainsey, Bogosian, Enstrom)
B) linemates who can score (Little, Kozlov, White)

Lecavalier has neither. Last time I checker he plays with Jeff Halpern and Vaclav Prospal. Both of them are garbage. Also, there is not ONE puck moving defenceman on that team.

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03-22-2009, 03:11 PM
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Is Lecavalier? I doubt it.
you do huh ?

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I disagree. The most recent two seasons Lecavalier has outscored Kovalchuk. This season Kovalchuk may have the upper hand, but he has:

A) defencemen who can move the puck (Hainsey, Bogosian, Enstrom)
B) linemates who can score (Little, Kozlov, White)

Lecavalier has neither. Last time I checker he plays with Jeff Halpern and Vaclav Prospal. Both of them are garbage. Also, there is not ONE puck moving defenceman on that team.

Nope Kovy has 2 more goals actually.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=26809
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=56745

and as for Hainsey, why the **** would Montreal admit to making a mistake by letting him go for nothing ! He is wayyyyyy overrated. He is not comming back here.


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03-22-2009, 03:17 PM
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A) defencemen who can move the puck (Hainsey, Bogosian, Enstrom)
B) linemates who can score (Little, Kozlov, White).
Lecavalier has St.Louis, Stamkos, Malone and Prospal. In fact, it's a bit weird that you're giving the edge to Kovy when Lecavalier isn't even the best scorer on his team. Then again, both teams are rather average.

Also, Kovalchuk is younger and coming into his own. I think he'll continue to be the better player, but we'll have a better idea after next season.

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you do huh ?
Yep, I do. Unless a severe overpayment, but then, you could say the same for Kovalchuk.

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Let's not talk about it too much so we don't jinx it....again!

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03-22-2009, 03:21 PM
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Nope Kovy has 2 more goals actually.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=26809
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=56745

and as for Hainsey, why the **** would Montreal admit to making a mistake by letting him go for nothing ! He is wayyyyyy overrated. He is not comming back here.
When I say "score" I mean points scored, not goals.

I don't understand the second part of your response, I never suggested reacquiring him. I mentioned him because, as a puck moving defenceman, he helps his team score.

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can Anyone Traslate This Article Please???

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I disagree. The most recent two seasons Lecavalier has outscored Kovalchuk. This season Kovalchuk may have the upper hand, but he has:

A) defencemen who can move the puck (Hainsey, Bogosian, Enstrom)
B) linemates who can score (Little, Kozlov, White)

Lecavalier has neither. Last time I checker he plays with Jeff Halpern and Vaclav Prospal. Both of them are garbage. Also, there is not ONE puck moving defenceman on that team.
A) Hainsey, Bogosian, Enström aren't THAT much of an improvement over Meszaros, Ranger, Krajicek and Murphy in the puck-moving department (Enström being possibly the best of the group, but him and Bogo are still very unexperienced).

B) You're talking about the last 2 seasons...St-Louis, Prospal, Richards...vs. who? Hossa, Perrin, White, Kozlov, Recchi? Ya...whatever.

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Isn't RDS reliable....this is real

OMG cant beleive it!!!

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03-22-2009, 03:27 PM
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Lecavalier has St.Louis, Stamkos, Malone and Prospal. In fact, it's a bit weird that you're giving the edge to Kovy when Lecavalier isn't even the best scorer on his team. Then again, both teams are rather average.

Also, Kovalchuk is younger and coming into his own. I think he'll continue to be the better player, but we'll have a better idea after next season.

As I said in the latter half of my post, Lecavalier plays with Jeff Halpern and Prospal, neither of whom are good players, and not even close to Lecavalier's caliber. St. Louis, Stamkos, and Malone, the three next best players, all play on a seperate line. And there are no puck moving defencemen.

Any Lightning fan feel free to correct me if I've said anything innaccurate.

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If I was Gainey, there would be somuch more benefit trading for Kovy next season then getting Lecavalier.
1.Vinny has long term contract, Kovalchuk is free agent after next season.
2.that being said IF Montreal can't give up what Thrashers want they can always sign him during next next summer.
3.IF they can get Kovy it would have to be for much less price then Vinny.

This is of course, IF Tampa Bay wants to trade Lecavalier at this point. Which they 99% won't. He is the face of the franchise, the most popular athlete in Tampa Bay.

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03-22-2009, 03:33 PM
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As I said in the latter half of my post, Lecavalier plays with Jeff Halpern and Prospal, neither of whom are good players, and not even close to Lecavalier's caliber. St. Louis, Stamkos, and Malone, the three next best players, all play on a seperate line. And there are no puck moving defencemen.

Any Lightning fan feel free to correct me if I've said anything innaccurate.
That's possible. But then... Why would you name three linemates for Kovalchuk? Halpern missed half of the season too, and I'm quite sure I saw St.Louis on his line at least against us, but anyway...

There are puck-moving defencemen in TB, in Meszaros, Krajicek and Murphy. They may not play very well this year, but you make it sound like Atlanta is doing much better in that department.

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03-22-2009, 03:33 PM
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My theory

With what Larry Brooks says about Vinny to the Habs at the draft, is it possible that there is a deal in place. I have heard that Gainey's ability to make a deal at the deadline has hampered by a possible deal at the draft. It's my theory that if Tampa gets the 1st overall pick that they would take John T and have a man capable to replace Vinny in all that he does and will be cheaper for at least 3yrs also. Then with John T and Steve Stamkos leading the way they should be able to sell tickets and produce a winning team. Especially if you count in what pieces they would be able to get for Vinny from what ever team wants him bad enough, or needs him to lead and bring some pride and respectability to the team(Montreal?). What do you think?

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A) Hainsey, Bogosian, Enström aren't THAT much of an improvement over Meszaros, Ranger, Krajicek and Murphy in the puck-moving department (Enström being possibly the best of the group, but him and Bogo are still very unexperienced).

B) You're talking about the last 2 seasons...St-Louis, Prospal, Richards...vs. who? Hossa, Perrin, White, Kozlov, Recchi? Ya...whatever.
A)

Meszaros, 16 points in 52 games, injured.
Ranger, 13 points in 46 games, injured.
Krajicek, 16 points in 62 games.
Murphy, 16 points in 32 games, has been out the majority of the season.

I'd take Atlanta's defence any day over that, even before the injuries. Not that Atlanta's defence is so great either.

B)

No, I'm talking about THIS season. Kovalchuk has better linemates than Lecavalier. Kozlov, Little, White >>>> Halpern/Prospal.

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can Anyone Traslate This Article Please???
It pretty much says:

Since the passing of the trade deadline, the name Vincent Lecavalier still floats around in trade rumours

Larry Brooks of the New York post said in his article from Sunday that the Quebecer will be traded to the habs at the end of the season.

Brooks gave little detail, but he assured that a trade is going to be completed between the lightning and canadiens during the draft

The gm of the lightning, Brian Lawton had said that will not be traded shortly (soon ?)

Lecavalier scored 29 goals, 39 assistsin 72 games with theLightning this season

It might be a bit off, I'm not very good in French, but I tried.


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That's possible. But then... Why would you name three linemates for Kovalchuk? Halpern missed half of the season too, and I'm quite sure I saw St.Louis on his line at least against us, but anyway...
I mentioned three of them because I'm not sure who's on Kovalchuks line. I figured two of those must be.

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Ten to one Brooks wrote that -- with a caveat indicating how much it is actually worth (what you pay to read it on the internet, ie. nothing) to see how much of a reaction it would cause.

RDS bit hook, line, and sinker.

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Haha.

RDS took it off their site completely, its not even in the ''All news''

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A)

Meszaros, 16 points in 52 games, injured.
Ranger, 13 points in 46 games, injured.
Krajicek, 16 points in 62 games.
Murphy, 16 points in 32 games, has been out the majority of the season.

I'd take Atlanta's defence any day over that, even before the injuries. Not that Atlanta's defence is so great either.

B)

No, I'm talking about THIS season. Kovalchuk has better linemates than Lecavalier. Kozlov, Little, White >>>> Halpern/Prospal.


Do you do anything but look at a stat sheet? The Lightning were just plain terrible for the first half of the season, no wonder the defensemen have nothing to show for points. Kovalchuk was pretty bad early, doesn't mean he's a poor man's goal scorer.

Kozlov, Little and White have played as a line for a long stretch for the season, much like St-Louis, Stamkos and Malone (it was St-Louis, Malone and somebody else if not this). So to make your point valid, it'd be something like Christensen, Armstrong vs. Halpern, Prospal.

Lecavalier still plays on the first PP with St-Louis and co.


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here is a link to the Brooks article in the Post...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03222009...710.htm?page=0

If you'll notice, he mentions the Habs part VERY briefly..

"Guaranteed to happen at the Entry Draft in Montreal, or the money back you spent to read this on the Internet: Vincent Lecavalier traded to the Canadiens. "

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ugh the draft day thread is gonna be insane

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What day is the draft anyway?

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Ryder + Halak + 2nd?

Fairest trade around
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It pretty much says:

Since the passing of the trade deadline, the name Vincent Lecavalier still floats around in trade rumours

Larry Brooks of the New York post said in his article from Sunday that the Quebecer will be traded to the habs at the end of the season.

Brooks gave little detail, but he assured that a trade is going to be completed between the lightning and canadiens during the draft

The gm of the lightning, Brian Lawton had said that will not be traded shortly (soon ?)

Lecavalier scored 29 goals, 39 assistsin 72 games with theLightning this season

It might be a bit off, I'm not very good in French, but I tried.

The deal was almost done in January when co-owner Len Barrie torpedoed it because he thaught it would be a huge disrespect to the fans. Lawton had to back pedaled to save his face.

The Habs' players that were supposed to be part of that trade have mostly played like crap since the aborted trade.

Lecavalier was treated like GOD during the ASG by the Montreal crowd. Some players might not have had enjoy it !

That + the off ice fiascos = The **** the team is swimming into right now !

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is he going to be the new coach?

coach Lecavalier

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Can we just re-sign Kovalev instead of getting Vinnie?

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