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03-15-2004, 03:50 PM
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Best heavyweight enforcer / skilled player ?

Andy Murray of the L.A Kings has a problem dressing an enforcer for any game. His reasoning is pretty much that the guys that we have/had are one dimentional players. Kip Brennan ( since traded ) and Ryan Flinn are our true heavyweight enforcers. Only problem with these guys is that they can't play the skilled part of the game of hockey with any success.

Who's out there that has a heavyweight presence and the skills to play effective hockey everyday?

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I would say that when Laraque is playing the way he has for the last month or 2 he is one of the most dominant players I have seen. He absolutely owns the boards and draws more calls then any other Oiler. Your only option is to drag him down really..

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Chara.

Has heavyweight presence and the skills to perform everyday. I'm not saying he's the best fighter, but he's top 5 in that category, and there isn't another fighter who can match his everyday skills.

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Chara.

Has heavyweight presence and the skills to perform everyday. I'm not saying he's the best fighter, but he's top 5 in that category, and there isn't another fighter who can match his everyday skills.
Chara really isn't the enforcer on the team. He's just really really big. Neil is the designated tough guy on the Sens. As for fighting, Chara doesn't fight so much as he throws people around because he can(see the McCabe ragdolling incident). Besides, Chara's much more useful to the Sens on the ice than he is chucking the knucks.

My vote goes to Georges Laraques. He may not be playing as such for a while, but he's the best enforcer with skill I've seen. Few d-men in the league can handle his size and he just goes straight through people with the puck. Good cycler.

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I'd take Chris Simon HEAVILY over Laraques. I haven't checked the stats, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Simon having 3 times the number of goals Laraques has.

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I'd take Chris Simon HEAVILY over Laraques. I haven't checked the stats, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Simon having 3 times the number of goals Laraques has.
Laraque plays on the 4th line and averages about 7-8 mins a game.

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As much as you hate him, Johnson is a pretty damn good heavweight enforcer and has put up some good goals for the Wild this year.

 
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I was thinking of Laraques myself. But didn't Edmonton make it clear he's gonna stay an Oiler for a while ?

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I'd have to say Simon. He's not the toughest but he has the best combination of fighting and skill.

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Chris Neil, Donald Brashear, George Laraque, Matt Johnson, Tie Domi, Turner Stevenson, Chris Simon in whatever order you want.

Other guys are improving their game into more of a pest/checker role, like Darcy Hordichuck or Todd Fedoruk.

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I don't think very many people out there would still consider Domi to be a "heavyweight" enforcer. He's good when he sticks with his weight class (or the B enforcers), but he doesn't have what it takes to go with the big boys anymore.

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Chara really isn't the enforcer on the team. He's just really really big. Neil is the designated tough guy on the Sens. As for fighting, Chara doesn't fight so much as he throws people around because he can(see the McCabe ragdolling incident). Besides, Chara's much more useful to the Sens on the ice than he is chucking the knucks.

My vote goes to Georges Laraques. He may not be playing as such for a while, but he's the best enforcer with skill I've seen. Few d-men in the league can handle his size and he just goes straight through people with the puck. Good cycler.
I agree and disagree with you - he's definitely not the enforcer, but he DOES fight. He doesn't just ragdoll people.

I wouldn't call Neil a heavyweight - I'd say he's a middleweight, but a good one. He has some decent skills and isn't a liability out there at all.

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Neil is a heavyweight, and has proved it this season. Personally, I think Neil is a better fighter than Chara.

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The way Stevenson is playing right now, Stevenson. He's playing the best hockey I've ever seen from him. He's busted straight through players, made fine drives, and has passing skills that I didn't think were possible.

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I was watching the Habs/Leafs game Saturday and I saw this move Domi put on the d-man. If I didn't know better, I woulda thought that was Sundin or Mogilny.

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Brashear has had a pretty good season. At least much better than Laraque's.

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Andy Murray of the L.A Kings has a problem dressing an enforcer for any game. His reasoning is pretty much that the guys that we have/had are one dimentional players. Kip Brennan ( since traded ) and Ryan Flinn are our true heavyweight enforcers. Only problem with these guys is that they can't play the skilled part of the game of hockey with any success.

Who's out there that has a heavyweight presence and the skills to play effective hockey everyday?

- Spooks
I think Andy Murray is full of **** with that point but using his criterial there are a few.

Donald Brashear
Georges Laraque
Tie Domi

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Neil is a heavyweight, and has proved it this season. Personally, I think Neil is a better fighter than Chara.
I don't know why you're so high on Neil. He's not a heavyweight yet. Neil is a better pure fighter but Chara can do way more damage in fight than Neil can.

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Laraque plays on the 4th line and averages about 7-8 mins a game.
For good reason.

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I don't know why you're so high on Neil. He's not a heavyweight yet. Neil is a better pure fighter but Chara can do way more damage in fight than Neil can.
Because I've seen a hell of a lot of his fights, and he is very underrated.

3rd in fights this year with a very good record. Other years I'd agree, but he has been very impressive this year. He doesn't have very much power, that is true, but having a knockout punch doesn't make our break a heavy. Chara is big, and has improved his fightign ability, but is really overrated. To me, he is way more phsyically dangerous with his gloves on than off.

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He's underrated, but still not a heavy.

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Explain to me how he isn't. Have you seen any of his fights this year?

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For good reason.
Well yeah, but with more ice-time ala Simon, Laraque would put up much better numbers.

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