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03-15-2004, 08:42 PM
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Explain to me how he isn't. Have you seen any of his fights this year?
Yes, like you said he doesn't have a knockout punch, he's yet to beat a legit heavy, and NOBODY is afraid of Chris Neil, nobody. He may develop into a heavy but right now he isn't IMO.

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03-15-2004, 08:43 PM
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Well yeah, but with more ice-time ala Simon, Laraque would put up much better numbers.
Yeah ok
And the Oilers would lose 10 more games because of him playing as much minutes as Simon. Simon actually knows how to play the game

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03-15-2004, 08:53 PM
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Laraque plays on the 4th line and averages about 7-8 mins a game.
Theres a reason for that.

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I was watching the Habs/Leafs game Saturday and I saw this move Domi put on the d-man. If I didn't know better, I woulda thought that was Sundin or Mogilny.
I saw that and started laughing. My friend I was watching the game with, a Leafs fan, looks at me like I'm insane. I just said "That's Domi!" He looks at me, and says, with a completely straight face, "Hey, Domi is an offensive dynamo".

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If this thread would have left out the true heavyweight factor and just picked toughest/skilled player...who would that be?

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03-15-2004, 09:16 PM
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Theres a reason for that.
Really?

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03-15-2004, 09:17 PM
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Yeah ok
And the Oilers would lose 10 more games because of him playing as much minutes as Simon. Simon actually knows how to play the game
They probably would, all I said was he would put up more numbers playing with ice-time ala Simon. Read.

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03-15-2004, 09:22 PM
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Yes, like you said he doesn't have a knockout punch, he's yet to beat a legit heavy, and NOBODY is afraid of Chris Neil, nobody. He may develop into a heavy but right now he isn't IMO.
Lots of legit heavies don't have a knockout punch. Hell, most of them don't. Chris Neil has the ability to get lucky, but he doesn't win by power, he wins by skill.

His record IMO
?-Dwyer
W-Doig
D/E-Hordichuck
W-Exelby
TKO W-Shelley (I was wrong, he does have a TKO this year on second look.)
D/E-Boulton
D-Boulerice
D-Dingman
?-Doull (can't find this first one)
W-Doull
D-Boulton
E/L-Asham
W-Dingman
?-Doull (I can't find these freakin fights, I know I've seen all three of their fights)
W-O'Donnell
W-Boughner
W-Buchberger
D-Downey
E/L-Perrott
E/W-Focht
W-Somik (haha)
D-Oliwa(but Neil knocked down Oliwa)

Bold fights against legit top 20 heavies IMO, with the only loss of those to Perrot, which wasn't a poor showing for Neil at all. His loss to Asham was suprising, and Asham did very well there, but it was more a draw than anything, same with the Perrott fight. A solid record for Neil, and definetly a fight card for a heavy these days.


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03-15-2004, 09:24 PM
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Neil is a heavyweight, and has proved it this season. Personally, I think Neil is a better fighter than Chara.
Neil can play the game a lot better than most enforcers...he's been known to pull out a deke every now and then. My vote goes to him or Laraque.

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03-15-2004, 09:25 PM
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Exactly, he's not a heavy. Way to disprove your own arguement.

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03-15-2004, 09:32 PM
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Exactly, he's not a heavy. Way to disprove your own arguement.
How did I disprove my arguement. Put his card up against most other heavies card, it is very comparable. Why don't you back up your position at all, instead of just letting you blind bias come into play. I freakin hate Chris Neil, quit making me defend him for ****s sake.

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03-15-2004, 11:17 PM
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wade belak!! hahah

*skates to center*
*dumps the puck in*
*gets off*

or

*throws the puck up*
*uh oh, its going to icing*
*drop gloves*

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Got to go with Laraque......when on his game, he is very effective

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Brashear has had a pretty good season. At least much better than Laraque's.
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          GP  G  A  P  Fights TOI/POINT
Brashear  56  6  6 12     12  Point every 52 mins
Laraque   56  5  9 14     11  Point every 37 mins
Simon     70 16 10 26     15  Point every 32 mins
Simon's got the season, with Brashear clearly behind those two. 12 of Simon's points with Barnaby, 9 with Messier. Laraque's were mostly in combination with Horcoff. Brashear put up points with guys like Primeau, Roenick, Amonte, and Recchi.

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03-16-2004, 01:03 AM
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Also seems to say something that Brashear is considered to be having a good season (by one guy at least) and Oilers fans had been all over Laraque for his inconsistent and uninspired play for half of the season.

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Brad May is about the only guy I can think of who can play the game and survive a match with the true heavyweights.

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They probably would, all I said was he would put up more numbers playing with ice-time ala Simon. Read.

Anybody will put up better numbers with more icetime but there is a reason that Laraque does not get that extra icetime. He would score maybe 10 goals instead of 5 but he would also be -10 instead of -5. He is a liability and that is why he gets so few shifts. It's surely not because the Oilers are so deep. Simon is not a liability (+14 with Rangers / +3 with Flames) on the defensive side of the puck. He also has much better hands than Laraque. Laraque would beat Simon in a scrap but if I were GM, I would take Simon over Laraque without hesitation.

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03-16-2004, 06:51 PM
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Anybody will put up better numbers with more icetime but there is a reason that Laraque does not get that extra icetime. He would score maybe 10 goals instead of 5 but he would also be -10 instead of -5. He is a liability and that is why he gets so few shifts. It's surely not because the Oilers are so deep. Simon is not a liability (+14 with Rangers / +3 with Flames) on the defensive side of the puck. He also has much better hands than Laraque. Laraque would beat Simon in a scrap but if I were GM, I would take Simon over Laraque without hesitation.
Yes.

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03-16-2004, 10:46 PM
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I might take Simon over Laraque, but certainly not Brashear. Another 2 points for Laraque tonight... he shows up for the big games and for the playoffs like very few enforcers have.

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I always thought Domi was a pretty decent player. He's the perfect 4th liner.

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I might take Simon over Laraque, but certainly not Brashear. Another 2 points for Laraque tonight... he shows up for the big games and for the playoffs like very few enforcers have.
Is that a knock on Brashear? b/c Brashear is on a regular line, and gets as much even strength time as some of the Flyers top 6 forwards.

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Is that a knock on Brashear? b/c Brashear is on a regular line, and gets as much even strength time as some of the Flyers top 6 forwards.
And yet he only has 12 points. Curious.

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Is that a knock on Brashear? b/c Brashear is on a regular line, and gets as much even strength time as some of the Flyers top 6 forwards.
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And yet he only has 12 points. Curious.
How is it curious?

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lol, it's getting rave reviews, I'm not sure why though.

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Laraque has been on fire of late and has been one of the Oilers best players since MacT called him out in the paper. He seems to finally be playing to his strengths and would actually be on pace for 15+ goals if he'd been playing like this all season. I'd give the nod to Simon this year as he has played very good hockey but Georges is still fairly young and has quite a few years ahead of himself.

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