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03-16-2004, 11:12 AM
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Hart - Martin St. Louis
Markus Naslund
Roberto Luongo

Vezina - Martin Broduer
Roberto Luongo
Marty Turco

Norris - Zdeno Chara
Scott Neidermayer
Mathieu Schneider
(either of these 3 could win and I wouldnt complain one bit)

Selke - Kris Draper
John Madden
Patrick Elias

Lady Byng - Brad Richards
Nicklas Lidstrom
Milan Hejduk

Calder - Andrew Raycroft
Michael Ryder
Patrice Bergeron

Adams - Andy Murray
John Torterella
Dave Lewis

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03-16-2004, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by canucks666
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I cannot in good conscience see martin st louis win this thing when he's on a team with FOUR, count em FOUR other 20-goal scorers (already, and andreychuk will probably hit 20 too)

Yeah the guy's great but he's not that VALUABLE To the team as some other guys in teh league.
Thats redundant. Just because there are other good players on TB does not mean that St.Louis is any less valuable. If you take him off that team, they would not be nearly as strong as they are. A guy named Gretzky won quite a few Hart trophies playing for the most offensively talented teams in NHL history. And nobody complained then.

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03-16-2004, 11:28 AM
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Hart

Roberto Luongo
Markus Naslund
Martin St-Louis

Vezina

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Jose Theodore/ Marty Turco

Norris

Rob Blake
Zdeno Chara
Scott Niedermayer

Selke

Kris Draper
John Madden
Keith Primeau (despite injury)

Lady Byng

Milan Hejduk (throw him a bone for the all-star snub)
Adam Oates
Brad Richards

Calder

Joni Pitkanen
Andrew Raycroft
Michael Ryder
(note: Raycroft should probably win, but the media attention Ryder is receiving sways it in his favor)

Jack Adams

Andy Murray
Darryl Sutter
Ron Wilson

Art Ross

Joe Sakic

Rocket Richard

Ilya Kovalchuk

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03-16-2004, 12:12 PM
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I am just going to say one thing about these awards cause i don't wanna be flamed.

but if the nucks come back and win the division and or naslund wins an scoring award(Art ross/Richard) then he will win the Hart Just becasue of what he would have had to do for this nucks team after teh "incident"

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03-16-2004, 12:20 PM
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I hope Niedermayer wins the Norris. Fantastic player and his play this season has been as good as anyones.

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03-16-2004, 01:22 PM
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I am just going to say one thing about these awards cause i don't wanna be flamed.

but if the nucks come back and win the division and or naslund wins an scoring award(Art ross/Richard) then he will win the Hart Just becasue of what he would have had to do for this nucks team after teh "incident"
Pretty safe bet that neither will happen. Avs will win the division and Naslund can't score like he can with Bertuzzi.

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03-16-2004, 01:59 PM
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how come alot of you are leaving rob blake off your norris vote?

before his injury most people had him or pronger in a very close race, after his injury everyone said it would cost him his chance but he only missed around 6 games i think, so what gives?

also it's weird that before scott stevens injury martin brodeur was a lock for the vezina and the leading candidate for the hart and now not so much support.

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03-16-2004, 02:09 PM
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Luongo is not winning the Vezina.

Art Ross: Joe Sakic

Hart: Joe Sakic

Rocket Richard: Milan Hejduk

Norris: Rob Blake/Zdeno Chara ??

Vezina: Jose Theodore

Calder: Andrew Raycroft

Selke: Kris Draper

Adams: Tortorella

I hate to hand out so many awards to Avs, but Sakic is my MVP this year.

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03-16-2004, 02:43 PM
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Art Ross: St. Louis
Richard: Patrick Elias (yeah I can hope)
Vezina: Luongo
Calder: Raycroft (Sorry, Ryder doesn't carry a team on his back)
Norris: Scott Niedermayer (I watch every single Devils game. This guy not only is wearing the C, almost top in scoring on NJ and among defenseman, but plays 30+ minutes a game with Stevens out)
Selke: I'm pushing for Madden personally, but Draper will win it

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03-16-2004, 02:51 PM
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Art Ross: 1)Sakic, 2)St. Louis, 3)Tanguay

Hart: 1)Martin St. Louis, 2)Luongo, 3)Sakic

Rocket Richard: 1)Kovalchuk, 2)Nash, 3)Iginla

Norris: 1)Niedermayer, 2)Schneider, 3)Blake (very tough to call though)

Vezina: 1)Luongo, 2)Theodore, 3)Brodeur (don't get why Turco's name keeps coming up- very mediocre save%)

Calder: 1)Andrew Raycroft, 2)Ryder, 3)Pitkanen

Selke: 1)Draper, 2)Madden, 3) Dvorak

Adams: 1) Sutter 2)Tortorella, Murray

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03-16-2004, 03:21 PM
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Vezina: 1)Luongo, 2)Theodore, 3)Brodeur (don't get why Turco's name keeps coming up- very mediocre save%)

Hmmm, Broduer gets a nod from you with his .915 save %. Turco has a .910. Wow...what a huge difference.


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03-16-2004, 03:25 PM
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Luongo has an excellent shot at vezina, and may even be the favorite at this point. But in no way, shape, or form is he even something close to a hart candidate.

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03-16-2004, 03:30 PM
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Hart: Martin St. Louis
Norris: Scott Niedermayer
Vezina: Martin Brodeur
Calder: Andrew Raycroft
Selke: Alyn McAuley

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03-16-2004, 03:32 PM
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Luongo has an excellent shot at vezina, and may even be the favorite at this point. But in no way, shape, or form is he even something close to a hart candidate.
I know I will get slammed for this, but I just dont see how you can give it to Luongo. His save % is fabulous at .934. But his GAA is 19th in the league, and he has a 23-28-13 record. I know the record is indicative of his teams play also, but those numers are still not good.

I wouldnt argue if he won, but I dont think he is a shoe-in like many are trying to point out.

Its WIDE open this year, there really is no clear cut favorite.

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03-16-2004, 03:39 PM
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Calder:
Andrew Raycroft
Ryan Malone
Joni Pitkanen

Vezina:
Martin Brodeur
Marty Turco
Roberto Luongo

Norris:
Chris Pronger
Zdeno Chara
Adrian Aucoin

Hart:
Martin St.Louis (he may have 4 other 20 goal scorers on his team, but he lifts them to that level. thats why he deserves the hart)
Markus Naslund
Andrew Raycroft


Jack Adams:
Andy Murray
John Tortorella
Darryl Sutter

Selke:
Turner Stevenson
John Madden
Trevor Linden (nominated because he's the #1 PKer on the #1 PKing team in the NHL)

Lady Byng:
Milan Hejduk
Brad Richards
Daniel Alfredsson

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03-16-2004, 03:55 PM
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Luongo has an excellent shot at vezina, and may even be the favorite at this point. But in no way, shape, or form is he even something close to a hart candidate.
This is a question, not a shot at your remark....

Has a goalie ever won the Vezina with a losing record, and had no shot(maybe a tiny, tiny chance) at the playoffs in March?

Although it's not fair to Luongo, I don't think the NHL will hand out the Vezina to a goalie who doesn't play in the playoffs and loses more games than he wins.

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03-16-2004, 04:01 PM
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Calder Winner: Andrew Raycroft-Boston Bruins
Runners up: Micheal Ryder-Montreal Canadiens, Joni Pitkanen-Philadelphia Flyers

Adams Winner: John Tortorella-Tampa Bay Lightning
Runners up: Andy Murray-Los Angeles Kings, Dave Lewis-Detroit Red Wings

Selke Winner: Kris Draper-Detroit Red Wings
Runners up: John Madden-New Jersey Devils, Trevor Linden-Vancouver Canucks(reason given by Kmad)

Lady Byng Winner: Brad Richards-Tampa Bay Lightning
Runners up: Marian Hossa-Ottawa Senators, Robert Lang-Washington Capitals/Detroit Red Wings

Norris Winner: Scott Niedermayer-New Jersey Devils
Runners up: Rob Blake-Colorado Avalanche, Mathieu Schneider-Detroit Red Wings

Vezina Winner: Roberto Luongo-Florida Panthers
Runners up: Mikka Kiprusoff-Calgary Flames, Jose Theodore-Montreal Canadiens

Hart Winner: Martin St. Louis-Tampa Bay Lightning
Runners up: Roberto Luongo-Florida Panthers, Markus Naslund-Vancouver Canucks

Rocket Richard winner: Ilya Kovalchuk-Atlanta Thrashers
Close, but didnt get it: Rick Nash-Columbus Blue Jackets, Jarome Iginla-Calgary Flames

Art Ross winner: Martin St.Louis-Tampa Bay Lightning
Close, but didnt get it: Joe Sakic-Colorado Avalanche, Markus Naslund-Vancouver Canucks

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03-16-2004, 04:13 PM
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Patrice Bergeron is only 18 which is impressive, but his stats aren't outstanding. Ryder, Malone, and Hunter's stats are amazing, but they're 23.
I don't get the logic behind this (actually, I do get the logic, but I fail to see how this will factor in when the official decision is made). Ryder is the best forward of the bunch this year (a case could be made for Hunter because he played fewer games). Ryder's on pace for 60+ points while being the 2nd best scorer on his team, 4 points behing leading scorer Mike Ribeiro. Raycroft's the best goalie. Pitkanen the best Dman... No matter the age (there's a reason why there's an age limit for the award). It's the best rookie award, not the youngest guy who's doing the best award. For this reason IMO Bergeron doesn't stand a chance.

IMO Raycroft should win it, as Boston would never have gotten to where they are with Potvin, and I mean not even close. But given how the NHL tends to favor forwards for the award, I'd say Ryder has as good a shot, especially considering how important he is offensively for his team. The rest I'd honestly be surprised if they won it. Pitkanen is awsome, but I'd be shocked if they awarded the trophy to a Dman 2 years in a row (although Pitkanen's an offensive Dman, so that might help).

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03-16-2004, 08:28 PM
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Paul Martin of the Devils should at least be a runner up for the Calder. With 3 of the 4 top Devils defenseman out, he's playing in the #2 spot and 25 minutes a game. He's plus 8 last I checked.

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I know I will get slammed for this, but I just dont see how you can give it to Luongo. His save % is fabulous at .934. But his GAA is 19th in the league, and he has a 23-28-13 record. I know the record is indicative of his teams play also, but those numers are still not good.

I wouldnt argue if he won, but I dont think he is a shoe-in like many are trying to point out.

Its WIDE open this year, there really is no clear cut favorite.
I'm not trying to say he is a shoe in, but you certainly must agree he has an excellent chance, as does Theo, Nabby or Aebischer. IMO, Brodeur has played his way out of any vezina talk, and Turco just doesn't have the stats. Rolly and Raycroft just don't have the gp for them to be justified either.

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This is a question, not a shot at your remark....

Has a goalie ever won the Vezina with a losing record, and had no shot(maybe a tiny, tiny chance) at the playoffs in March?

Although it's not fair to Luongo, I don't think the NHL will hand out the Vezina to a goalie who doesn't play in the playoffs and loses more games than he wins.
Well, in 2002 Theo took a bad team to the playoffs. This year, luongo has taken a bad team to slightly below average. MVP he is not. His play as a goaltender however is nothing short of remarkable, and for that imo he deserves the vezina.

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Paul Martin of the Devils should at least be a runner up for the Calder. With 3 of the 4 top Devils defenseman out, he's playing in the #2 spot and 25 minutes a game. He's plus 8 last I checked.
He's not even the best rookie d-man. Pitkanen is. Raycroft has been better as a rookie, so that means Martin would be 2nd runner up......if he had made a better impact than Ryder, Hunter, and Malone, that is.

He might be on the all-rookie team, but has some serious competition with J-M Liles, who is leading all rookie d-men in points.

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03-16-2004, 09:19 PM
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Calder Winner: Michael Ryder
Runners up: Andrew Raycroft, Ryan Malone

Adams Winner: Ron Wilson
Runners up: Darryl Sutter, Claude Julien

Selke Winner: Kris Draper
Runners up: Martin St. Louis, Milan Hejduk

Lady Byng Winner: Tim Taylor
Runners up: Andrew Brunnette, Jay Pandolfo

Norris Winner: Mattieu Schneider
Runners up: Scott Niedermayer, Sheldon Souray

Vezina Winner: Roberto Luongo
Runners up: Martin Brodeur, Jose Theodore

Hart Winner: Martin St. Louis
Runners up: Joe Sakic, Roberto Luongo

Rocket Richard winner: Jarome Iginla
Close, but didnt get it: Rick Nash, Milan Hedjuk


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I don't get the logic behind this (actually, I do get the logic, but I fail to see how this will factor in when the official decision is made). Ryder is the best forward of the bunch this year (a case could be made for Hunter because he played fewer games). Ryder's on pace for 60+ points while being the 2nd best scorer on his team, 4 points behing leading scorer Mike Ribeiro. Raycroft's the best goalie. Pitkanen the best Dman... No matter the age (there's a reason why there's an age limit for the award). It's the best rookie award, not the youngest guy who's doing the best award. For this reason IMO Bergeron doesn't stand a chance.

IMO Raycroft should win it, as Boston would never have gotten to where they are with Potvin, and I mean not even close. But given how the NHL tends to favor forwards for the award, I'd say Ryder has as good a shot, especially considering how important he is offensively for his team. The rest I'd honestly be surprised if they won it. Pitkanen is awsome, but I'd be shocked if they awarded the trophy to a Dman 2 years in a row (although Pitkanen's an offensive Dman, so that might help).
I personally thing they should have a defensive and an offensive rookie of the year. But, that is my opinion.

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I put in bold everything wrong with the awarding here:

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Calder Winner: Joni Pitkanen
Runners up: Andrew Raycroft, Trent Hunter
No mention of rookie leading scorer Micheal Ryder. Joni Pitkanen as the winner? Thats a little far-fetched.. I hear alot of praise for Joni.. he's good.. but there are guys who deserve it more than he does. Andrew Raycroft for one.. even Trent Hunter deserves it more than him.

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Norris Winner: Mattieu Schneider
Runners up: Scott Niedermayer, Sergei Gonchar
Sergei Gonchar has a +/- of -17.. he's one of the best offensive defensemen in the league, but he doesn't deserve a Norris Trophy nomination. I realize he played for the Capitals a up until a couple games ago, and that's the reason why his plus/minues is so bad.. but to be deserving of a nomination in this category, I'd think a defenseman would have better defensive stats.. his offensive stats are amazing.. but his defense was pretty bad this season.

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Vezina Winner: Roberto Luongo
Runners up: Martin Brodeur, Marty Turco
Ready to get bashed on this one.. Marty Turco has played great.. but so have MANY MANY goalies this season. Its been the season of the goalie.. and I think that there have been goalies who have played better than him all season 'round.


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