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Mike Richards V. Ilya Kovalchuk Who Would You Rather Have & Why?

View Poll Results: Who Would You Rather Have?
Ilya Kovalchuck 195 65.44%
Mike Richards 103 34.56%
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03-24-2009, 03:30 PM
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If you already know who you think is better then why make this poll unless to convince others that you're right. It all makes sense now.

Unfortunately a lot of people see Mike Richards as the "true" NHLer. You can find any idiot to score points. How many Mike Richards are there in the NHL? I bet you'd find more 50 goal scorers than you would find true leaders who can take over a game like he can while still putting up top 15 NHL forward numbers.
"You can find any idiot to score points"...Well im glad its that easy. But just for the record Mike Richards are alot easier to find then 50 goal scorers, your an idiot if you disagree. Hell Brayden Schenn is pegged to be the next Mike Richards, if he or Richards were as rare as you claim then why arent they going first, ahead of JT (a sniper)?

Just to clarify, I did not make this poll to prove a point, not that it matters, I just wanted to get a sense as to what other people thought. Make no mistake I love both players, I just feel that Kovy is hands down the better player.

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03-24-2009, 03:34 PM
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Great poll.

I said Kovy....Richards does stuff you can teach/coach into a player. Kovalchuk does stuff you're only born with.
If these are things you can teach, then why are there not more Mike Richard type hockey players out there?

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If these are things you can teach, then why are there not more Mike Richard type hockey players out there?
There are a ton of good two way players, just not elite like Richards.

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Does Kovy play as well defensively as Richards?
The same physical side to his game, forecehcking?
Will he fight, stand up for his teammates?
Does Kovy have more blocked shots?

Quick answer is no, but those things aren't very exciting are they? Game 7 of the cup final, I take richards hands down.
Kovy showed what he can do when it really matters last year didnt he? I would take Kovy over richards in the Regular season, In the Stanley Cup Playoffs and in any international competition.

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Great poll.

I said Kovy....Richards does stuff you can teach/coach into a player. Kovalchuk does stuff you're only born with.
Yeah but more often than not you can't teach a player to be more aggressive and more physical.. that's either their game or it's not (for the most part, although I will admit you can teach players to pick up their defensive game). Kovalchuk is blessed with a hell of a shot and good stickhandling, but you can improve on those with practice, albeit probably never to the level of Kovy.

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If these are things you can teach, then why are there not more Mike Richard type hockey players out there?
It's not a slight on Richards. He's a beast, but scoring 50 goals in this league is hard to do....And I just think Richards is more replaceable than Kovy. Brenden Morrow comes to mind, when I think of Richards...

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There are a ton of good two way players, just not elite like Richards.
That's my point.

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Mike Richards. The Flyers already have Jeff Carter.

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Kovalchuk. He has everything that Richards does except for defensive ability which isn't enough to make Richards better.

-Superior Goal Scoring
-Superior offensive talent in general
-Superior skating
-Can carry a team on his own
-Becoming a solid leader

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Kovy showed what he can do when it really matters last year didnt he? I would take Kovy over richards in the Regular season, In the Stanley Cup Playoffs and in any international competition.
Not sure what you mean. To each their own, but like I said, Kovy cannot step in for an important faceoff, play the PK, get physical if needed. Put it this way, i've seen richards more apt to block a shot than Kovy, these are some of the intangibles that win you games IMO. BTW, Richards can also score and put up points.

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It's not a slight on Richards. He's a beast, but scoring 50 goals in this league is hard to do....And I just think Richards is more replaceable than Kovy. Brenden Morrow comes to mind, when I think of Richards...
So shouldn't this be Carter vs. Kovalchuk.

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Kovalchuk has been a minus player every year of his career.

Perhaps that says more about the team than him?
Hossa managed a couple seasons of +17 and +18 in Atlanta, Kozlov also managed a couple + seasons, and even Savard had a + season.

Richards has been a plus player the last couple years while consistently going head-to-head with the likes of Crosby.

Richards can be out on the ice in the last minute of a game, no matter the situation ... killing a 5-on-3 or trying to tie it up

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So shouldn't this be Carter vs. Kovalchuk.
They're def more comparable, but these are decisions GMs make ever day in the draft. Hot shot Russian or go to Canadian?

I picked Kovalchuk, but I'm willing to bet more NHL GMs pick Richards.

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Hossa managed a couple seasons of +17 and +18 in Atlanta, Kozlov also managed a couple + seasons, and even Savard had a + season.

Richards has been a plus player the last couple years while consistently going head-to-head with the likes of Crosby.

Richards can be out on the ice in the last minute of a game, no matter the situation ... killing a 5-on-3 or trying to tie it up
Don't get hung up on +/- when it comes to offensive threats.

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Mike Richards.I know he will make a big play in a big game.Not just score a goal.He will hit the best player on the opposing team.He is willing to fight if needed.

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Personal preference... I have never, ever liked Kovalchuk. So it's Richards for me.

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I chose Richards. Kovalchuk has a great skillset, no doubt - one of the best. But Richards is the complete package, and I like the sort of example he would set for other players on a team. Plus, I still think he'll grow as an offensive player.

Richards reminds me a of a physical version of Zetterberg when he was young. Zetterberg was always smart, defensively minded, and a good leader, and as he got into his mid 20s, he really came on offensively. Which is not to say Richards isnt great offensively, but it follows that he can continue to develop his skillset with experience.

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Richards, he knows how to win and has the intangibles of a winner.

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17 GP - 7 G - 7 A - 14 P

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4 GP - 1 G - 1 A - 2 P

Is what it comes down, at least when I look at it.

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I'm not selfish, so I'd take Richards and give the Flyers Redden in exchange..

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Don't get hung up on +/- when it comes to offensive threats.
+/- is finnicky, yes, but its telling when other offensive players on your team have good +/-, and a similar offensive threat is minus.

If youre an offense only guy, then you arent going up against the other teams top scorers, and youre doing a lot of scoring yourself. So for the most part, the argument against Kovy stands.

And I dont mean this as a knock against Kovy. Noting against him. I just like to discuss the implications of the +/- stat.

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17 GP - 7 G - 7 A - 14 P

or

4 GP - 1 G - 1 A - 2 P

Is what it comes down, at least when I look at it.

Even though I chose Richards, its almost impossible to judge a players playoff game with that kind of sample. The current Conn Smythe winner had 1 goal in his first 4 playoff games, and had just 5 points in his first 16, before being the best forward on his team the next 3 playoff years.

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17 GP - 7 G - 7 A - 14 P

or

4 GP - 1 G - 1 A - 2 P

Is what it comes down, at least when I look at it.
Atleast make it fair...
23 games 7 goals 8 assists 15 points
4 games 1 goal 1 assist 2 points

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Kovalchuk. I like both players a lot, but it was an easy decision for me.

I want to clear up a few things about Kovy though, as I've read a few statements so far that are very inaccurate, and ill-assumed.

Kovalchuk DOES stick up for his teammates. All the time.

Kovalchuk also is very emotional. Watch the last WC. He's tried so hard for so long on that Atlanta team, but they've never had any kind of depth. The management there is so ridiculous.

He's also consistent. He's working on his 5th straight season of >40 goals. As the season goes he gets hot and cold, but overall he gets it done.

I might add that Richards is a better scorer than he's getting credit for here. I can't think of many players more deadly than him on a breakaway.

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17 GP - 7 G - 7 A - 14 P

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4 GP - 1 G - 1 A - 2 P

Is what it comes down, at least when I look at it.
Yeah, I voted for Richards and even I think that's wildly misleading.

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