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Mike Richards V. Ilya Kovalchuk Who Would You Rather Have & Why?

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Ilya Kovalchuck 195 65.44%
Mike Richards 103 34.56%
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03-25-2009, 10:06 AM
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The offensive difference between the 2 players is being vastly exaggerated.

The last 2 seasons

Kovalchuk - 150 - 90 - 79 - 169 pts

Richards - 142 - 56 - 93 - 149 pts

The difference is less than a tenth of a point per game.

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03-25-2009, 10:23 AM
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Kovalchuk

Kovy-Getzlaf-Perry
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03-25-2009, 11:00 AM
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The offensive difference between the 2 players is being vastly exaggerated.

The last 2 seasons

Kovalchuk - 150 - 90 - 79 - 169 pts

Richards - 142 - 56 - 93 - 149 pts

The difference is less than a tenth of a point per game.
Richards - Plays on a team that can roll 3 (three) scoring lines
Kovalchuk - Plays on a team with 2/3 (two-thirds) of a scoring line

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03-25-2009, 11:16 AM
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Richards - Plays on a team that can roll 3 (three) scoring lines
Kovalchuk - Plays on a team with 2/3 (two-thirds) of a scoring line
Offense isn't Atlanta's probelm. The Thrashers have scored just 7 fewer gols than the Flyers this year.

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03-25-2009, 11:17 AM
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Offense isn't Atlanta's probelm. The Thrashers have scored just 7 fewer gols than the Flyers this year.
Kovalchuk - White - Little
Kozlov - Peverley - Armstrong
Stuart - Reasoner - Crabb

Who would you put your checking line against every shift?

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03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
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kovalchuk because he is a top 5 sniper in the NHL.

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03-25-2009, 12:01 PM
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I would take Richards on my team over Kovalchuk anyday. It's kind of wierd how this poll is a lot closer than the Parise vs. Kovalchuk thread. Yet Parise is beating Richards in their own thread. I guess style is more important than substance these days on hf.

I would take 20-30 fowards in the NHL before I would take Kovalchuk. He has some serious flaws in his game.

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03-25-2009, 12:13 PM
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I would like to see you list 20 -30 better forwards than Kovalchuck. He has 184 goals over the last 4 seasons.

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Kovy for the Pens. They've already got a third-line center.

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03-25-2009, 12:55 PM
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Kovalchuk,reunite him back with Marc Savard

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03-25-2009, 01:00 PM
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Kovalchuk is definitely a more skilled, high-end hockey player.

But if you ask any NHL coach, I think you go with Mike Richards. His offensive upside is not that much lower, and all the intangibles and the complete game he plays puts him over the top.

Kovalchuk might win you a scoring title, but Mike Richards gives you a better shot to win the title.

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03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
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kovalchuk because he is a top 5 sniper in the NHL.
Top 2 actually.

On his way to his 5th straight season of 40 or more goals. Leads all nhl-ers in total goals since 2002.

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Kovy for the Pens. They've already got a third-line center.
Mike Richards is not a 3rd line center, that is just the role he is playing right now because of how well Claude Giroux has come on. I don't think 74 points is what 3rd line players score.

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Mike Richards is not a 3rd line center, that is just the role he is playing right now because of how well Claude Giroux has come on. I don't think 74 points is what 3rd line players score.
On the Pens, the best he'd be is a third-line center.

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Yea, how many playoff goals does he have?
1 in 4 games

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I would like to see you list 20 -30 better forwards than Kovalchuck. He has 184 goals over the last 4 seasons.
Yea, how many playoff goals does he have?

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03-25-2009, 03:49 PM
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On the Pens, the best he'd be is a third-line center.
By that logic, Datsyuk would be on your 3rd line, as would Lecavalier and Thornton and therefore you'd rather have Kovalchuk then all 3. I'm pretty sure Pittsburgh could find a spot for Richards on their 1st line, first pp unit, and first pk unit.

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On the Pens, the best he'd be is a third-line center.
Your point?

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03-25-2009, 04:05 PM
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Does Richards command double coverage like Kovy?
Can Richards score like Kovy?
Can Richards break a defence down by himself like Kovy?
Can Richards take over a game with his skill like Kovy?
Quick answer is no, but those thins mean nothing other then to make highlight reels right?

And how can you defintively say you would rather Richards in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals? Have you seen either him or Kovy in that posistion before? Regardless one game does not mean Richards is the better player...
Richards can take over and win a game - and has done it many times.

Does Kovalchuk backcheck?
Does Kovalchuk check the other teams top line?
Does Kovalchuk try to bury the other team's top player?

Both have great strengths. One is an Art Ross/Richard trophy candidate - the other is maybe a Selke candidate (though he probably scores too much for that one)

I like Kovalchuk - but Richards is the more complete player and that's no insult to Kovalchuk. Oh yeah - Richards has never been benched by his coach for being stupid and selfish.

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03-25-2009, 06:27 PM
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Richards can take over and win a game - and has done it many times.

Does Kovalchuk backcheck?
Does Kovalchuk check the other teams top line?
Does Kovalchuk try to bury the other team's top player?

Both have great strengths. One is an Art Ross/Richard trophy candidate - the other is maybe a Selke candidate (though he probably scores too much for that one)

I like Kovalchuk - but Richards is the more complete player and that's no insult to Kovalchuk. Oh yeah - Richards has never been benched by his coach for being stupid and selfish.
It's funny, I'm a Flyers and a Thrashers fan - and a lot of the things said about Richards that are being defended by Flyers fans are along the same lines of things being said about Kovalchuk by Flyers fans.

Guys, I watch every Thrashers game and every Flyers game. I record one when the other is playing. Trust me, I watch a lot.

Does Kovalchuk backcheck? Absolutely he does. Is he great at defense? No, he's not, but he will get better at because you naturally do as you try harder. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he does play decent D.

Does he play against the top lines? No, why would he? John Anderson isn't going to linematch Kovalchuk - he's a player that other teams matchlines against him. I love Richards, but he's not that guy. You have to try and match to Kovalchuk because that's how dangerous he is. He commands that much respect. Richards has above average offensive talent, but he's not on that level.

Does he bury the other team's top player? When he has to, yup. He's very physical if the need arises, but he's not out looking to headhunt.

I love Richards guys, but Kovalchuk is on another level. Sorry, but it's true.

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I would like to see you list 20 -30 better forwards than Kovalchuck. He has 184 goals over the last 4 seasons.
In no order:

1. Ovechkin
2. Crosby
3. Malkin
4. Datsyuk
5. Thornton
6. Hossa
7. Iginla
8. Lecavalier
9. Nash
10. Parise
11. Richards
12. Carter
13. Getzlaf
14. Heatley
15. Alfreddson
16. Elias
17. Stastny
18. E. Staal
19. Zetterberg
20. Morrow
21. Semin
22. Marleau
23. Spezza
24. St. Louis
25. Gagne

Kovalchuk is without a doubt without a doubt one of the best pure offensive players in the league. He's probably top-3 in skill when it comes to skating, shooting, and stick handling, but it's everything else about his game that bothers me. I firmly believe he's below average in any hockey skill that doesn't envolve him scoring goals and getting points. Yes, he has gotten better, but I think that has more to do with how bad he was when he entered the league and there's definitley more improvment needed.

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Great poll.

I said Kovy....Richards does stuff you can teach/coach into a player. Kovalchuk does stuff you're only born with.
Then why are there more players like Kovalchuk when there are hardly any like Richards...

And if you can teach/coach stuff into a player why doesn't Kovy go to some Richards camp and hands down win this poll?

That was an idiotic theory.

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Kovalchuk is a legit superstar.

Richards is not.

Kovalchuk without thinking twice.

Put him on a team with real players and he blows Richards' production out of the water.

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In no order:

1. Ovechkin
2. Crosby
3. Malkin
4. Datsyuk
5. Thornton
6. Hossa
7. Iginla
8. Lecavalier
9. Nash
10. Parise
11. Richards
12. Carter
13. Getzlaf
14. Heatley
15. Alfreddson
16. Elias
17. Stastny
18. E. Staal
19. Zetterberg

20. Morrow
21. Semin
22. Marleau
23. Spezza
24. St. Louis
25. Gagne

Kovalchuk is without a doubt without a doubt one of the best pure offensive players in the league. He's probably top-3 in skill when it comes to skating, shooting, and stick handling, but it's everything else about his game that bothers me. I firmly believe he's below average in any hockey skill that doesn't envolve him scoring goals and getting points. Yes, he has gotten better, but I think that has more to do with how bad he was when he entered the league and there's definitley more improvment needed.
Every player bolded is not better than Kovalchuk.

Sorry.

Players like Hossa, Nash, Lecavalier, and Iginla are, at best, equals.

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03-25-2009, 07:47 PM
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Nash isn't better than Parise, Getzlaf, Zetts, or Heatley.

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