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03-25-2009, 10:05 AM
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Can't believe i'm going to say this but... I can't wait for Bouillon to be back. Him and Gorges always play well together so the D will look 100 times better with Brisebois out of the lineup.

Markov - Komi
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That's probably what is going to happen. Franky, while isn't great, is certainly an upgrade over Brisebois.

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03-25-2009, 10:08 AM
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to his point, Latendresse has been playing hockey long enough to have seen Patrice pinch... he tried to adjust at the last second, but couldn't.

tough to blame that one solely on Patrice... I'd say that was a team defence failure. If we were a well oiled machine the forward would have provided the proper support.
Well, Brisebois made an ill advised pinch. Latendresse totally blew the coverage (he had it, then swirved to hit the guy or something) and, theoretically, Lapierre should have been the one covering anyway.

Blown play by pretty much the entire line.

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03-25-2009, 10:14 AM
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He was directly responsible for two goals (1st and 3rd) - while Benoit Brunet tried his best to put the blame on others (Latendresse for the first, Plekanec for the third). I can understand Brunet - everyone knows Brisebois failed, but noone wants to channel the public hate on him. Last thing we would want - Brisebois booed again out of the Bell Centre.

The thing about Brisebois is that he is trying to play beyond his capacities. He attempts tricky passes that fail, he goes offensive along the boards yet he loses the puck etc. It would be easier for him to play like Hammerlik or Komisarek, as in defense first and not taking chances - however he tries to do more. And he fails - probably because of his age and physical ressources. It could also be an element of fear.

(I'm forty and I noticed I'm a lot more reluctant now to go into a montagne russe then I was at 22. It's probably the same with taking or not taking a hit.)

Bottom line - Brisebois tries to play like Markov but he lacks what it takes and he fails and gets himself into trouble. But I will not blame someone for trying more than he can. I'd rather blame Hammerlik for not trying enough while he definetely has the offensive potential.

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03-25-2009, 10:15 AM
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Breakwood should get a $30K fine for ever stupid pinch.

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03-25-2009, 10:18 AM
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Well, Brisebois made an ill advised pinch. Latendresse totally blew the coverage (he had it, then swirved to hit the guy or something) and, theoretically, Lapierre should have been the one covering anyway.

Blown play by pretty much the entire line.
Agreed... but it seems Brisebois' pinch was indicative of the gameplan last night

As a team, last night, the Habs had pinching and support down pat.

A lot better and a lot more automatic than it has been over the course of the Habs recent skid.

It was a ture strength of the teams play last night. And a true positive sign.

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03-25-2009, 10:21 AM
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Agreed... but it seems Brisebois' pinch was indicative of the gameplan last night

As a team, last night, the Habs had pinching and support down pat.

A lot better and a lot more automatic than it has been over the course of the Habs recent skid.

It was a ture strength of the teams play last night. And a true positive sign.
Agreed, I have no issue with more pinching. This will happen when you let guys pinch.

What I have a problem with was the tape to tape passes to Atlanta guys in the slot he tried a few times

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03-25-2009, 10:26 AM
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Before Christmas, I thought he was actually decent on the ice. He made good safe plays and was safer then ever in his own end.

After that, he's been bellow par. He's making many mistakes and he's just not that good anymore. He has 1000 games under his belt so I wouldn't feel bad to bench him. O'Byrne and Dandy are both better at this point.

But I'm sure he's a good player to have around...

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03-25-2009, 10:29 AM
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Agreed, I have no issue with more pinching. This will happen when you let guys pinch.

What I have a problem with was the tape to tape passes to Atlanta guys in the slot he tried a few times
yeah there's no defending that... Patrice and pressure don't mix. Seemingly, even at 25 that was true of Patrice. Certainly, I would not play Patrice every game, however, I still think he can come in, change the mix a bit on D, and contribute in some areas. My only concern is that we have two of these guys now. And it is scary when they are both in the line-up.

One or the other, I guess. Maybe Patrice could get in if Schneider was injured.

I find our play much more entertaining and effective when we activate our D. I think they've proven collapsing to the net is not our most advisable strategy.

Last night I was noticing they made their plays earlier (even in the neutral zone, a few times, or around the blue line), contributed offensively, and as a group they looked sharp because of it...

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03-25-2009, 10:31 AM
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yeah there's no defending that... Patrice and pressure don't mix. Seemingly, even at 25 that was true Patrice. Certainly, I would not play Patrice every game, however, he can still come in change the mix a bit on D and contribute in some areas. My only concern is that we have two of these guys now. And it is scary when they are both in the line-up.

I find our play much more entertaining and effective when we activate our D. I think they've proven collapsing to the net is not our most advisable strategy.

Last night I was noticing they made their plays earlier (even in the neutral zone a few times or around the blue line), contributed offensively, and as a group they looked sharp because of it...
Agreed with the principal, I just do not believe Brisebois contributes anything to the lineup that O'Byrne doesn't. His skills have eroded. So long as we're going to have someone who makes big mistakes, it might as well be the 6'6'' guy who might yet grow out of them.

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03-25-2009, 10:46 AM
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to his point, Latendresse has been playing hockey long enough to have seen Patrice pinch... he tried to adjust at the last second, but couldn't.

tough to blame that one solely on Patrice... I'd say that was a team defence failure. If we were a well oiled machine the forward would have provided the proper support.
BS - if he's such a veteran presence out there, he should have immediately seen that Lats, a very rookie player all things considered, was the only forward available to back him up.

A smart defender will choose not to pinch unless he's confident he'll be backed up. Yet brisbois pinched....

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03-25-2009, 10:49 AM
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Agreed with the principal, I just do not believe Brisebois contributes anything to the lineup that O'Byrne doesn't. His skills have eroded. So long as we're going to have someone who makes big mistakes, it might as well be the 6'6'' guy who might yet grow out of them.
I think I would play O'Byrne on the bottom pair... I find it odd that the team has more confidence in Brisebois at this point. There is no room for error due to the tightness of the playoff race. Like you said, they both make mistakes (O'Byrne makes less of them) and also Brisebois is made redundant (at least as a regular) by Schneider. It's good game-experience O'Byrne is missing out on, too (since there is much at stake in these games)

To be clear, it's Schneider or Brisebois for me... never both in the line-up together. The team doesn't have any confidence in Weber/Carle yet. Brisebois' value is as an insurance policy for our Defence (Offensive Back-up). If Schneider gets hurt he's all we've got in that regard.

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03-25-2009, 10:52 AM
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BS - if he's such a veteran presence out there, he should have immediately seen that Lats, a very rookie player all things considered, was the only forward available to back him up.

A smart defender will choose not to pinch unless he's confident he'll be backed up. Yet brisbois pinched....

you must've been a winger

sure... a smart 2-way defender maybe... but I've been watching Patrice play for his whole career and that's not a move out of Left Field for him....

Lats has been in the NHL 3-years... you learn to pinch and support at like Bantam, maybe even sooner.

Also, it was part of the gameplan last night... All the defence was pinching... all night long. Total team defence breakdown not Patrice's fault (alone).

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03-25-2009, 10:54 AM
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BS - if he's such a veteran presence out there, he should have immediately seen that Lats, a very rookie player all things considered, was the only forward available to back him up.

A smart defender will choose not to pinch unless he's confident he'll be backed up. Yet brisbois pinched....
I couldnt disagree more, although im not a fan of Brisebois in the lineup that goal was in no way his fault. Covering your d-man on a pinch is basic hockey knowledge, Latendresse and to a certain degree Lapierre were both guilty of being greedy and gambled on the puck staying in the zone.

I encourage the aggressive pinching of d-man but the forwards have to be smart team players and cover up.

Latendresse is guilty on that one.

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03-25-2009, 11:20 AM
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He is a complete embarrassment to the sweater. A giveaway machine, constantly in the wrong position and scared of his own shadow. That play in the first where he saw a hit coming and just left the puck sitting there is a great example of this guy's character. I had it with this guy in 2001. 8 years later he's actually still on the team. Unreal.
Unbelivable, I jumped out of my seat when I saw that...I know alot of people give him credit for coming back to Montreal and all that bull**** but Brisebois is one Hab I will NEVER have respect for, i've seen him bail out on his teamates too often to respect that guy. I remember another time this year, he hit a guy in the corner and apparently got hurt, so much so that he just abandonned his teamates while the play was still going on in his zone and skated back to the bench in what seemed like agony...curiously enough, he was out on the next shift for a PP.

He's a pu**y!

He's been here for almost 2 years and has played a total of 99 games with 28pts, I hope it was worth the developmental time a guy like O'Byrne has lost during that time.

I can't understand how a guy like Dandenault can't get a regular shift on defense, even as a #7, in stead of Brisebois.

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O'Byrne, Bouillon, Dandenault are all AHEAD of Brisebois by 2.74 miles. Why is Brisebois still playing?? dunno, maybe to drive all the fans crazy!

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O'Byrne, Bouillon, Dandenault are all AHEAD of Brisebois by 2.74 miles. Why is Brisebois still playing?? dunno, maybe to drive all the fans crazy!

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Count me as one guy who thinks Brisebois should be keep off the ice unless there are serious injuries.

I thought he could still hold his own against less physical teams... but his play of late shows that even under the smallest amount of pressure, the game is moving to fast for him to be effective and protect his own health.

Thanks for a good career Patrice, but it is over.

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BS - if he's such a veteran presence out there, he should have immediately seen that Lats, a very rookie player all things considered, was the only forward available to back him up.

A smart defender will choose not to pinch unless he's confident he'll be backed up. Yet brisbois pinched....

Enough already, he's in his third year with the team.He is not a rookie.

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to his point, Latendresse has been playing hockey long enough to have seen Patrice pinch... he tried to adjust at the last second, but couldn't.

tough to blame that one solely on Patrice... I'd say that was a team defence failure. If we were a well oiled machine the forward would have provided the proper support.
The fact that Latendresse is suppose to be the one to blame doesn't make what Patrice did a great play especially if you remember how weak that pinch was, not even close to the player, and a weak one-hand towards the puck. And needless to say that this was at the end of a shift AND that it's Latendresse we're talking about here....not exactly the speedy dynamo even at the start of a shift that would have been able to take the shot and position himself to take Brisebois' place. Brisebois should've recognize it and not take the chance.

A really great play by Brisebois would have been that he would've pokecheck or check the guy much better than that making the attack alive in the zone. Not the way he did it.

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If you remove Breezer, who's going on 2nd wave PP?

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Brisebois has been bad this year.. He's had a couple of games where he's really played well (relatively speaking).

The 2 goals last night were NOT a directly his fault. Latendresse was more to blame than Brisebois on the first goal when he didn't support the pinch and slow to came back with that weak dive after the little twirl. Plekanec was more to blame on the 3rd goal for not cleaing the zone.

I think Brisebois tries to do too much. That giveway in the first --my god, that was atrocious.

All the defensemen (except Gorges for the most part) are horrible in their own zone. It's horrible watching the team in their own zone, I feel like crying at time. The two worse ones are Brisebois and our "best defensive defenseman" Komisarek. I don't know what happened to him this year.

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Can anyone explain to me why this guy is in the lineup? What does he bring that benefits the team? Last night alone he made like 4 or 5 plays that were just completely awful (one of which lead to a 3 on 1 goal). He seems to be getting progressively worse as the season rolls on and his old body wears down. Would O'Byrne or Dandenault not be better?

I mean respect what's he done in his career and that's great but this team is trying to make the playoffs and he is hurting the team a lot more than he is helping it.
Brisebois should be sat for the reamining of the season - wathever and when ever this end is.

Thank you for your 1000 games, but that's enough !

O'Byrne must play from now on !

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If you remove Breezer, who's going on 2nd wave PP?
Who cares about the second wave PP if the first one works ?

Gorges or Hamrlik are as good as him for 30 seconds action on PP.

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If you remove Breezer, who's going on 2nd wave PP?
He's got 7 pts on the PP...it's not like we're trying to 'replace' Markov's production here.

Man, I'd like to know Brisebois highest total for PP points in a season...cause for a guy who gets labelled as a PP specialist, I can't ever recall him getting tons of points in that situation

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He's got 7 pts on the PP...it's not like we're trying to 'replace' Markov's production here.

Man, I'd like to know Brisebois highest total for PP points in a season...cause for a guy who gets labelled as a PP specialist, I can't ever recall him getting tons of points in that situation
Quick check at his career stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/...ws9AilVg5ivLYF

Best PP season was 00-01 with 28 points on the PP. Best overall offensive season was 05-06 with 38 points. Nothing spectacular that's for sure.

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