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03-27-2009, 11:44 AM
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The reason we're sucking...

Injuries? Maybe.

Overplaying of Turco? Maybe.

The biggest reason you ask.

Los Angeles: 0 for 5
Vancouver: 0 for 4
San Jose: 0 for 4
Calgary: 0 for 3
Vancouver: 1 for 7
Minnesota: 0 for 3
Carolina: 0 for 3
St. Louis: 1 for 6
Montreal: 1 for 10
Anaheim: 1 for 4
Los Angeles: 0 for 3
San Jose: 1 for 6
Pittsburgh: 1 for 6

That's the wonderful powerplay since the start of March. An awesome...6 for 64 overall.

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03-27-2009, 11:47 AM
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03-27-2009, 11:48 AM
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Injuries? Maybe.

Overplaying of Turco? Maybe.

The biggest reason you ask.

Los Angeles: 0 for 5
Vancouver: 0 for 4
San Jose: 0 for 4
Calgary: 0 for 3
Vancouver: 1 for 7
Minnesota: 0 for 3
Carolina: 0 for 3
St. Louis: 1 for 6
Montreal: 1 for 10
Anaheim: 1 for 4
Los Angeles: 0 for 3
San Jose: 1 for 6
Pittsburgh: 1 for 6

That's the wonderful powerplay since the start of March. An awesome...6 for 64 overall.
At least they are consistent at something

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03-27-2009, 12:22 PM
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...is still not a good enough description of the powerplay.

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03-27-2009, 01:25 PM
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Despite all the problems the team has had if either or both of the powerplay and penalty kill were even mid pack in the nhl this would be a playoff team.

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03-27-2009, 01:58 PM
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You can group the injury situation and the PP failure under one umbrella, really: the loss of Richards.

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03-27-2009, 04:45 PM
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You can group the injury situation and the PP failure under one umbrella, really: the loss of Richards.
I wouldnt say that. The powerplay sucked for most of the years with richards on it. It got hot brielfy when he was moved to the point but then he was injured. Im really not sure it would have continued to be any good or if it was just a nice streak.

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I think there's a pretty strong correlation between Richards on the point and PP success.

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Who's job is it on the bench to work on powerplay strategies? Who decides who to play in each unit, and where to position these players?

Fire that man.

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Who's job is it on the bench to work on powerplay strategies? Who decides who to play in each unit, and where to position these players?

Fire that man.
Lamb. According to the most recent broadcast, Tippett has finally decided to take a more active role with the PP.

What's so baffling to me is that there was a clear difference with Richards running the point, something he did quite successfully with TB, and yet it took Lamb/Tippett half a season and more to figure that out.

But remember, Tippett is an excellent coach.

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03-27-2009, 06:28 PM
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Lamb. According to the most recent broadcast, Tippett has finally decided to take a more active role with the PP.

What's so baffling to me is that there was a clear difference with Richards running the point, something he did quite successfully with TB, and yet it took Lamb/Tippett half a season and more to figure that out.

But remember, Tippett is an excellent coach.
I clearly remember Ralph and Razor saying Les Jackson sat down with them and told them to play Richards on the point.

They said this during the Florida trip. I don't remember if it was the Florida or Tampa game though.

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And again, I feel if a GM actually has to intervene and tell the coaches how to do their own job, there's definitely a problem.

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I clearly remember Ralph and Razor saying Les Jackson sat down with them and told them to play Richards on the point.

They said this during the Florida trip. I don't remember if it was the Florida or Tampa game though.
Tell me again why he hasn't be fired then? He wasn't happy with how they used Eriksson so he said put him in the lineup and give him minutes. He's not happy with the fact that he won't play Stephan. And now he needs to tell Tippet to put Brad freaking Richards on the point? Something anyone who spent five minutes watching video of him in Tampa would have seen. Good god save me from this entire coaching staff. Barnes can stay because hopefully he hasn't all ready been ruined but other wise all three of Lamb, Wilson, and Tippet need to be released this summer. Unbelievable.

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Guys, a powerplay is only has good as it's players. You can scheme it up all you want, but real solution to our powerplay woes is to regain our injured players. Is Detroit's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Lindstrom, Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom? Is San Jose's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Boyle, Blake, Thornton, Marleau, and Setoguchi? I think a "powerplay specialist" coach is bologna.

I'll use the example I heard on the Stars Post-Game Show. Tony Dungy was brought into the the Indianapolis Colts as a "defensive specialist". What happens? They are one of the worst defensive teams when they eventually win the Superbowl. Another example: Brian Billick was brought into the Baltimore Ravens as a "offensive specialist". What happens? They win the Superbowl was scrapmeat for their offensive attack, riding on their defense for their rings. My point is, a coach is only as good as his players on the ice, court and field. Blaming Tippett for the powerplay woes is idiotic considering the list of key players out of the lineup.

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03-27-2009, 07:43 PM
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Guys, a powerplay is only has good as it's players. You can scheme it up all you want, but real solution to our powerplay woes is to regain our injured players. Is Detroit's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Lindstrom, Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom? Is San Jose's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Boyle, Blake, Thornton, Marleau, and Setoguchi? I think a "powerplay specialist" coach is bologna.

I'll use the example I heard on the Stars Post-Game Show. Tony Dungy was brought into the the Indianapolis Colts as a "defensive specialist". What happens? They are one of the worst defensive teams when they eventually win the Superbowl. Another example: Brian Billick was brought into the Baltimore Ravens as a "offensive specialist". What happens? They win the Superbowl was scrapmeat for their offensive attack, riding on their defense for their rings. My point is, a coach is only as good as his players on the ice, court and field. Blaming Tippett for the powerplay woes is idiotic considering the list of key players out of the lineup.
Yeah but it took him half a season to put Richards on the point..

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Guys, a powerplay is only has good as it's players. You can scheme it up all you want, but real solution to our powerplay woes is to regain our injured players. Is Detroit's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Lindstrom, Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom? Is San Jose's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Boyle, Blake, Thornton, Marleau, and Setoguchi? I think a "powerplay specialist" coach is bologna.

I'll use the example I heard on the Stars Post-Game Show. Tony Dungy was brought into the the Indianapolis Colts as a "defensive specialist". What happens? They are one of the worst defensive teams when they eventually win the Superbowl. Another example: Brian Billick was brought into the Baltimore Ravens as a "offensive specialist". What happens? They win the Superbowl was scrapmeat for their offensive attack, riding on their defense for their rings. My point is, a coach is only as good as his players on the ice, court and field. Blaming Tippett for the powerplay woes is idiotic considering the list of key players out of the lineup.
Dallas Stars powerplay under Dave Tippett
02/03 18.9% Ranked 5th
03/04 15.8% Ranked 19th
05/06 17.7% Ranked 20th
06/07 18.5% Ranked 7th
07/08 18,1% Ranked 13th
08/09 15.0% Ranked 26th
So what we see here is that other than 2 good years, the Dallas Stars powerplay with Dave Tippett as head coach has been middle of the pack or lower. With the talent the team has had during some of these years thats simply not good enough. It cost them regular season games and it cost them playoff games. Most of the people who get on Dave Tippetts case dont do so because of one horrific injury filled season. It goes back a long way and includes some really crappy playoff showings.

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Guys, a powerplay is only has good as it's players. You can scheme it up all you want, but real solution to our powerplay woes is to regain our injured players. Is Detroit's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Lindstrom, Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom? Is San Jose's powerplay so good because of coaching, or is it because they have Boyle, Blake, Thornton, Marleau, and Setoguchi? I think a "powerplay specialist" coach is bologna.

I'll use the example I heard on the Stars Post-Game Show. Tony Dungy was brought into the the Indianapolis Colts as a "defensive specialist". What happens? They are one of the worst defensive teams when they eventually win the Superbowl. Another example: Brian Billick was brought into the Baltimore Ravens as a "offensive specialist". What happens? They win the Superbowl was scrapmeat for their offensive attack, riding on their defense for their rings. My point is, a coach is only as good as his players on the ice, court and field. Blaming Tippett for the powerplay woes is idiotic considering the list of key players out of the lineup.
Colts won the Super Bowl because the defense, out of no where, started playing like an elite group. They were one of the top run defenses and overall defenses in the playoffs after being the worst run defense in the league. Tony Dungy did that with two good players and a bunch of spares because every penny is invested in the offense. Before that season, they proved time and time again that a one-dimensional team would fail in the playoffs.

They wouldn't have made it past New England if the D hadn't held them in the game. Manning started like his typical self when playing the Patriots, defense did enough against a superior team to give Manning time to wake up at half time.

Personally, I hate Tony Dungy because he's a religious zealot who uses his position in life to hide a message of hate in his dolled up religious propaganda. As a coach, there aren’t many who are better.

Good example with Baltimore though.

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Colts won the Super Bowl because the defense, out of no where, started playing like an elite group. They were one of the top run defenses and overall defenses in the playoffs after being the worst run defense in the league. Tony Dungy did that with two good players and a bunch of spares because every penny is invested in the offense. Before that season, they proved time and time again that a one-dimensional team would fail in the playoffs.

They wouldn't have made it past New England if the D hadn't held them in the game. Manning started like his typical self when playing the Patriots, defense did enough against a superior team to give Manning time to wake up at half time.

Personally, I hate Tony Dungy because he's a religious zealot who uses his position in life to hide a message of hate in his dolled up religious propaganda. As a coach, there arenít many who are better.

Good example with Baltimore though.
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Personally, I hate Tony Dungy because he's a religious zealot who uses his position in life to hide a message of hate in his dolled up religious propaganda.
Do you really want to get into a discussion over gay marriage on here, or would you rather temper your own personal beliefs while others do the same?

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Do you really want to get into a discussion over gay marriage on here, or would you rather temper your own personal beliefs while others do the same?
It's a fan forum where people can express their opinion so I don't have to temper anything. I didn't bring up gay marriage because the majority of people don't want or can't have an intelligent conversation about it. If someone wants to talk about it they can PM me, but I'm not the one that brought it up. You brought up gay marriage Chad_.

If someone is going to bring up Tony Dungy, I'm going to make sure they realize he's an advocate of hate, but its okay because he delivers it with a smile and a cross.

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It's a fan forum where people can express their opinion so I don't have to temper anything. I didn't bring up gay marriage because the majority of people don't want or can't have an intelligent conversation about it. If someone wants to talk about it they can PM me, but I'm not the one that brought it up. You brought up gay marriage Chad_.

If someone is going to bring up Tony Dungy, I'm going to make sure they realize he's an advocate of hate, but its okay because he delivers it with a smile and a cross.
Of course you brought it up because it's Dungy's position on gay marriage and his speaker's fee from a group that opposes gay marriage that some people hate Dungy for. I agree this is a fan forum, but it's not a place for a political discussion that you brought forth. You could have easily written something to the effect of, "I don't personally like Tony Dungy, but he's a great coach." Instead you chose to label Dungy and anyone who might share his opinion a disciple of hate.

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