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03-28-2009, 08:34 PM
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Wow. Now that is definetly the Dallas Stars of this season.

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03-28-2009, 08:34 PM
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Stamkos has basically been a point a game for a little while now.

I'm on Hull's side, I do think draft picks are way overrated around here, but there's really no reason to be winning games at this point. This is not a playoff team, they won't make the playoffs and if they did they'd get swept. So why not just lose as badly as possible to get a nice big draft pick?

Scouting is not nearly as much of a crapshoot as it used to be. Especially the first 10 picks of the first round in such an insanely deep draft. Drafting is a big deal in the new NHL, it's essential to success. I personally think that drafting will become more of a science as time goes on because of this.

Oh, and for the record with Iginla. We could have kept him, instead we opted to keep Todd Harvey. It can be a crap shoot, but I honestly think that if our scouts are worth their salt it doesn't always have to be as much of one. Past the first round anything can happen, but I figure these first ruonders are under serious scrutiny and careful scouting.

There's going to be those guys that don't develop as much as you'd like, and those guys with explosive development like Benn, but the last few years things seem a bit more predictable.

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03-28-2009, 08:35 PM
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Ribs seemed to get really excited talking about his goal but then got back to business

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we will end up with pick 8 or 9...

maybe we will get lucky and players like schenn or cowan will slip and we will get lucky

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03-28-2009, 08:36 PM
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Who was the other D that got caught way up at the blueline on Florida's 2nd goal?

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03-28-2009, 08:37 PM
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LOL, I don't want to have this argument again ......

From Heika:
They're tanking, that's why they aren't playing Brunnstrom.

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03-28-2009, 08:37 PM
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we will end up with pick 8 or 9...

maybe we will get lucky and players like schenn or cowan will slip and we will get lucky
I just hope our draft department doesn't get cute and try and draft some guy who no one has in their Top 10. I don't know why but I have that feeling.

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03-28-2009, 08:40 PM
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Why? They haven't historically gone off the board lately. What's scary is if they'll try and draft down and how much.

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we will end up with pick 8 or 9...

maybe we will get lucky and players like schenn or cowan will slip and we will get lucky
6th overall pick isn't a stretch, but 7th is likely. Ottawa has played less games, and Dallas still has to play LA in LA.

Toronto will likely finish 6th, but it wouldn't take a big sting of wins for Toronto to pass Dallas in the standings.

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Eight or Nine will still net a good player but I'd rather have the better pick so Dallas can decide if they want Schenn or will allow Toronto to buy him away from them.

And Kritter, I'm not saying I think the players aren't trying or have been told by management to quit. I'm a fan and have no impact on their play but for me winning now = hurting the future. It's not nearly as beneficial as you're trying to make it. Midling draft picks creates teams like Toronto, Buffalo, and Minnesota. Good draft picks are building St. Louis. It matters.

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03-28-2009, 08:41 PM
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The Stars did have other players to trade for Nieuwendyk, namely Todd Harvey. But they considered Harvey a better talent and pushed to trade Iginla instead of Harvey, which the Flames took.

My ideal is simple - the Stars sould play their tails off to win as many games as they can. If that ends up being low enough to draw a top 5 pick, so be it. But to actively try and lose games for a better pick sets a horrible tone for the franchise and puts the priority in the wrong place.

Your argument about draft picks, at least top 10 draft picks (the discussion in play), being the lifeblood of a franchise is flawed. Detroit hasn't had a top pick in ages and they've maintained a very high level of play for more than a decade now. Their last Top 10 pick was No. 10 in 1991. They pick up guys through smart trading, smart talent evaluation later in the draft and good FA signings.

As far as the teams that you're holding up as examples of teams Dallas should follow in the footsteps of, Columbus and Florida have yet to turn their fortunes around, and Pittsburgh is looking like a little bit of a one-hit wonder. And regarding Pittsburgh and Washington, I hope you're not trying to tell me that the Stars should wait around and suck every year in the hopes that an Ovechkin or a Crosby are out there. Those two teams, more than any other, are built on true Top 5 player caliber, the type of player that, contrary to the hype (every year's No. 1 pick is talked about as that type of player, and it's simply not true), is not out there very often.

Draft picks are necessary, obviously, but to make the entire franchise about getting draft picks is dumb and self-defeating. The idea of sports is to win now, and if you're always preparing for three years from now, you will never, ever win now.

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03-28-2009, 08:46 PM
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Oh Horton for the win. Way to go guys. That was bad in front of Marty but Turco what are you doing?
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This debate is pointless.

The season is over.

The players themselves should continue to play hard of course. You want to continue the culture of accountability.

But we need the losses. The higher the pick, the better the chances of the future being brighter.

The Stars are in a very rare and unique moment. They have all the makings of a great team with only a few holes. Add in a lottery type talent and we're in business.

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Why? They haven't historically gone off the board lately. What's scary is if they'll try and draft down and how much.
Beskorowany was off the board from what I read before the draft.

We haven't had a Top 10 pick for a while. How can you say we have even gone off the board lately???...

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Eight or Nine will still net a good player but I'd rather have the better pick so Dallas can decide if they want Schenn or will allow Toronto to buy him away from them.

And Kritter, I'm not saying I think the players aren't trying or have been told by management to quit. I'm a fan and have no impact on their play but for me winning now = hurting the future. It's not nearly as beneficial as you're trying to make it. Midling draft picks creates teams like Toronto, Buffalo, and Minnesota. Good draft picks are building St. Louis. It matters.
Midling draft picks also create Detroit and New Jersey. Good draft picks also create Phoenix, Los Angeles, Edmonton and the Islanders. It's not a Top 10 draft picks = good teams in 2-5 years equation. Far from that.

Plus HF - you were angling for a Top 6 draft pick long before the first Richards injury and the team's slide the last several weeks. If this argument had only come about the last 2-3 weeks it's one thing, but we've been arguing about this all year.

Biggie - I know what the rules are. I think coaches, in general, are liars. Since there are virtually no consequences to not listing a "banged up" guy as injured and likely to miss games, sometimes they won't. I don't know if that's what's going on in this case, but I distrust coaches in general.

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03-28-2009, 08:50 PM
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weak turco, weak 2-4

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Don't throw Detroit. Zetterberg and Datsuk are generational talents. That's hardly a fair comparison to the rest of us. Besides they, just like Dallas used to buy their way to the top. Now since that is no longer an option, they have to draft or convince guys to take less money. You want to see where that's failed? Look at the free fall Colorado has become.

And did you see my post above. No one says players, play bad. I am saying that they need to evaluate more than a few guys. Namely, Brunnstrom, Stephan, and Vishnevskiy so they have some clue about their future. If Bruno can't hack it as a top six forward they need to trade him. They're not going to know if he's sitting in the press box. Same types of questions about the others.

Am I not making my point clear? Scouting matters. And it appears our scouting is better. Talent evaluation matters. Who to keep, who to get rid of. Again that seems to be better than five years ago. Drafting matters. For every Neal, there's a Vagner. There are less Vagner's in the top ten.

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No playoffs insight guys..

It will make an exciting draft day, just think about it.

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03-28-2009, 08:51 PM
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3 goals on last 4 shots,

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Lots and lots of defensive fail.

Niskanen and Sydor basically escort the guy into the zone for a nice shot, and Turco doesn't close down the five-hole.

I would not be sad at all to see Niskanen traded this off-season, and if Sydor comes back, I may send explosive things to the Stars offense.

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0-8 stretch, I called it.

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I just meant in general, picks like Fistric, Niskanen, etc. weren't out of nowhere. Jackson also said he picked up Besko because he thought he'd be gone by the 3rd round. So, I guess to him it wasn't that off the board. That and it's sort of hard to go off the board unless you're actually in the first round I'd think, where the players are much more concrete in their rankings.

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Didn't know that about the SEL - apparently centermen aren't allowed to use their feet to win the puck on faceoffs over there.

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I wouldn't call Datsyuk and Zetterberg generational. Elite, absolutely, they aren't generational though.

One thing's for sure, they got really, really lucky picking those guys up.

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